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Ebola
Oct 13, 2014 12:33:02 GMT -6
Post by TheCollector on Oct 13, 2014 12:33:02 GMT -6
The radio didn't have the specific details on this. After a search on Google, bam! ebola lab test
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Post by MajinRob on Oct 13, 2014 12:45:54 GMT -6
Similar to what my quote earlier said. It's not happening, but it could. For the virus to enter the cells of the trachea and lungs you'd have to breath in as someone sneezes or coughs. Considering we don't have real proof of it being airborne, we don't have anything at all other than speculation. Sure, if the virus were airborne then it could enter the cells of the trachea and lungs. Since it isn't you'd have to get sweat on you or something else.
Directly from your linked article:
"However, there are many factors beyond its ability to enter these cells that influence how a virus is transmitted. To be airborne it must be present on tiny droplets from a cough or sneeze and must be able to live outside of the body for a certain length of time. This is not how the virus is currently known to spread, but it is evidence that it has some of the necessary components for respiratory transmission."
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Post by Branjita on Oct 13, 2014 13:05:20 GMT -6
Concerning airborne, I doubt it, or at least hope not. However, I go dancing a lot, and from that I clearly know that just being close to somebody in a loud club, and having them talk to you... you aren't just breathing their air. Some people spit a lot when they talk. When people exhale, it isn't entirely air, which is why you can fog up a window with your breath. This is basically a description of what airborne means: From what I recall, ebola doesn't particularly cause you to cough or sneeze, so that isn't a huge issue, but, given that many people in Dallas (myself included) currently have a cold and are coughing, sneezing, and spitting out green stuff anyway, well, you can understand how someone who already has a cold could be a real threat if they also got ebola at the same time. All it takes is 1 drop of fluid from an infected person on your hand and then you get that on you by scratching your face, rubbing your eye, touching your Rilldo when peeing, etc. and you just gave it the opportunity to infect you. Ebola lives a long time at room temperature and a longer time at body temperature on your skin, so we aren't well protected naturally. The same virus life outside the body at room temp, body temp, etc. pretty much goes for Flu and other things, but realistically, your likelihood of dying from the flu is really low. I don't know if you guys have been seeing pics like this shared on facebook, twitter, etc. but I've seen a lot of them. Do you know what the fundamental problem is with a chart like this? You have to be a complete moron to think this type of data matters. What matters is how deadly the disease is. Not how many people have died. Heart disease, lung cancer, diabetes, motor vehicle, guns, and unintentional falls are completely self-inflicted and completely unrelated to communicable diseases. Who the hell cares about that data. This chart is made entirely to calm the fears of the ignorant and unintelligent. Hell, even the people who won't read that it is just a chart of the last 8 days, who will be default think it is a chart for the last month or last year. So let's look at the flu and pneumonia. 1110 people in the US apparently died from those in the period of about 8 days. But here's the thing... Hundreds (or tens) of thousands of people probably had the flu/pneumonia, and that's the tiny number who died. I am not having any luck on Google researching the mortality rate percentage, because the CDC doesn't track the percentage of people who die or even get the flu or pneumonia, because they are kind of BS diseases that don't usually result in death. You can read about that here if you want: www.cdc.gov/flu/about/disease/us_flu-related_deaths.htm So let's just assume that somewhere between 0.05% and 5% of the people who get the flu or pneumonia die from it. The people who die are probably little kids or the elderly. With Ebola, 50% to 90% of people die, basically regardless of their age. That's huge. Flu/pneumonia? Could be 1% or less, or maybe a little more. Who knows? You get Ebola, and you have a perfect, expensive hospital stay with attentive care (that you'll be paying off for the rest of your life), and you have only a 50/50 chance of living through it. That's rough! You get the flu, and unless you're old or sick with something else, you probably have at least a 90% chance of living through it! If not 99% chance! I don't know about the rest of you, but from customizing, I constantly have a scratch on my hand, a hangnail, or even a crack in my skin from washing with soap too much. An opening for ebola to enter is all it really takes, you don't have to lick your fingers after opening a door contaminated by it or anything like that to get it. You just have to touch something that is infected, and then touch something else, and then that something else touches something else, and so on. It's a pretty big problem. Should you worry about Ebola is you live in... I dunno... California? Probably not yet. If you live in Dallas? Hell yes you should be concerned. Keep your hands as clean as reasonable, have some hand sanitizer in your pocket, and try to limit your exposure to people in close environments (like church, stadiums, movies, public transportation) in my opinion. Oh, and change out of your work clothes when you get home, wash them, and take a shower. Ebola does make you puke, and so don't wear your shoes inside the house, and if you're cleaning your car, be mindful that you might have driven through remnants of ebola puke that was washed away into the gutter/street, so if you're washing your car, clean yourself afterwards.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2014 13:59:25 GMT -6
What about Malaria, HIV, Tuberculosis, Pneumonia? I feel bad for the people in West Africa suffering from epidemics outbreaks of the Ebola virus since 1976 (to medical science). Not for those make drama out of nothing when a single person diagnosed with the disease.
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Ebola
Oct 13, 2014 14:28:30 GMT -6
Post by timone317 on Oct 13, 2014 14:28:30 GMT -6
Who is making drama? We've seen how this disease can spread and and we're aware of what it can do to a person. There's nothing wrong with discussing the possibility of an outbreak and suggesting people need to have a shred of concern about this disease.
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Ebola
Oct 13, 2014 15:28:05 GMT -6
Post by Branjita on Oct 13, 2014 15:28:05 GMT -6
Well... HIV is a threat, but it is not in a very high concentration in sweat, saliva, urine, or mucus, which are a lot easier to come in contact with than blood, semen, etc. Every time I use a bathroom, I am standing in at least a few drops of urine in just about ANY public restroom, especially when I go to bars... TB is fortunately not really in the US to much of an extent to my knowledge. Pneumonia I mentioned in my post above, and isn't that deadly, not here at least because treatment works really well. Malaria is something we fortunately don't have in the US to my knowledge. Basically my post is about how if you are in an area with ebola potential (like I am) it is smart to keep clean as often as possible, because you don't know where you might have come in contact with infected materials. Who really thought that Duncan's vomit in the street outside his apartment would be walked in by dogs and washed by people without any protection? And washed onto other cars in the parking lot? See pics of the lack of precaution www.wnd.com/2014/10/outrage-ebola-vomit-washed-down-storm-drain/Downplaying how deadly this virus is only sets less informed/intelligent people up for getting it, because they aren't being cautious, and primarily because half of the media isn't telling people to be particularly cautious in the first place because they don't want the economy to suffer. See video here www.cnn.com/2014/10/12/health/ebola/index.htmlThe poor nurse who got it is such a shame, she's only in her 20s (like most of us here) and she was following precautions. 26 years old and with only a 50% chance of living is crappy odds. A lot worse than a (surely...) 90+% chance of living through the flu or pneumonia. archive.lohud.com/videonetwork/3837095966001/Nurse-who-contracted-Ebola-identified-USA-NOWNobody wants to be killed by a communicable disease, especially one that has basically no cure. The attempts to cure it are supportive only--blood cleaning by dialysis and such. I don't know about Israel's health care system, but in the US, hospitalization is extremely expensive, whether you're insured or not. So I'd rather proceed cautiously than get it by doing something careless and having a 50/50 chance of dying from it. I'd probably rather die than live, because the hospital bill would probably be enough to buy a house. www.nhregister.com/general-news/20141008/hospital-bill-for-deceased-texas-ebola-patient-nearly-1000-an-hourIf you don't want to read the article, Duncan, the guy who died, "care probably cost $18,000 to $24,000 a day" for 9 days until he died. How they arrived at $500,000 in the article... I don't know... because if you multiply those numbers by 9... you're still under $250,000.
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Post by Branjita on Oct 15, 2014 12:56:51 GMT -6
A 2nd nurse has been diagnosed with Ebola, and has also been diagnosed as a complete idiot.
29 years old, lives by SMU in Dallas, worked on Ebola patient zero Duncan, decided to go home to Cleveland, Ohio to see her family, flies back to Dallas, potentially infected some/all 130+ people on that plane, potentially infected her entire family in Cleveland/Akron.
These nurses were not supposed to be permitted to use public transport, but it was on the "honor system" and thus not enforced. She took a plane to go home to Cleveland/Akron on Friday October 10th to plan her wedding and see her family. She came back on a flight on Monday October 13th with a fever. She was tested on October 14th for Ebola and tested positive.
Also, minutes ago, a report came on the news stating that patient zero Duncan was not in isolation for several hours after being admitted to the hospital, so he was around other patients and staff, and that nurses were not instructed or provided face masks at times when dealing with Duncan. Protective "booties" for shoes, face coverings, etc. were not always worn. There were other things listed, but I didn't catch them all as I was eating lunch.
This is why they should have shipped Duncan off to a place with training in diseases such as Ebola instead of trying to handle it here.
They are shipping this 29 year old off to a hospital called Emory (in Atlanta perhaps?) that specializes in diseases similar to this.
This is just ridiculous.
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Ebola
Oct 15, 2014 14:36:18 GMT -6
Post by Adrenaline on Oct 15, 2014 14:36:18 GMT -6
Wtf. Those infected NEED to stay in ONE place. This is how this crap spreads. Do they not know what "isolation" means? "They will keep her isolated in another city" is the same as not keeping her isolated.... To me, I'd like to not worry and I'd like to just think I can keep myself clean, my family clean, and watch my surroundings and hope this doesn't escalate, but you have to take proper precautions and be on the look out. We recently got Disney passes to take my son and plan to go every weekend for 4-6 hours, but Disney has thousands and thousands of people daily, including thousands of tourists from other states and countries. Over the course of a year, they get 100 million visitors aka 12.5 million every month. That's enough for me to worry about because you're within crowds all day, touching handles, seats, and rides people have been on. I have family in Dallas too. The fact they have to burn all of patient zero's belongings and hold his family is pretty freaky. Again, not trying to raise fear, but raise awareness. It's all you can do.
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Ebola
Oct 15, 2014 15:37:06 GMT -6
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Post by shifftymking on Oct 15, 2014 15:37:06 GMT -6
I've been avoiding saying anything about this but like bran said people r idiots but I also know in the medical field Ur not always told what a patient has even if it's serious. It's Kinnda crazy but it's true I'm currently working in a group home with 6 guys that all have behavior disabilities ie they hurt themselves or others and one of my first questions in training was if someone has something like HIV or aids will we be informed and I was told no I wouldn't be. I was like that's insane. But the trainer said look at it this way if u had say herpies or the clap would u tell everyone u worked with even though they could contact it via the bathroom and I was like well I guess not but Ur not going to die from that so it's kinda different. Anyway people in these hospitals arnt always being told what the people they work with might have Which again is insane
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Ebola
Oct 15, 2014 19:35:00 GMT -6
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Post by Adrenaline on Oct 15, 2014 19:35:00 GMT -6
To shiffty's last comment, in some cases, that is true, but with ebola, you know they have it if you're working with them. They basically have to live in a bubble. The doctor that got the disease in Africa and came over here, was placed in a container type of contraption on the plane and then transferred using a suit and head cover to a specific treatment room. The problem is that right before someone is diagnosed, everyone around them is vulnerable. If I dragged myself into the ER right now and said "I have ebola symptoms" ....how the hell does the front desk person respond? And the nurse or doctor that addresses my situation? It's not like I'm walking in with my spacesuit on.
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Post by shifftymking on Oct 16, 2014 3:10:35 GMT -6
Walking in with my spacesuit on lol
And I guess what I meant more than anything is I doubt even 1/4 of the people in the hospital will know that there is someone with ebola being treated at the hospital at first anyway because people will freak out. It still took my breath away about them not telling me that kind of stuff where I work every other week now. I've never done anything like what I'm doing or worked with people with disabilities but my whole life I've always wanted to. Nothing in this world makes me more upset than to see someone with disabilities being treated or talked to unfairly I just can't stand it. I used to get in fights with people in high school that used to pick on anyone that was slow or different just to make themselves feel better or to try and look cool. Id tell them Ur so unhappy with Ur own life that u have to ruin another persons just to make urs better Ur the lowest of the low a pathetic person.
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Ebola
Oct 16, 2014 6:53:47 GMT -6
Post by Adrenaline on Oct 16, 2014 6:53:47 GMT -6
That's pretty noble of you, shiffty. Coming from someone who has a disabled younger sister, I appreciate that.
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Ebola
Oct 16, 2014 7:18:11 GMT -6
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Post by shifftymking on Oct 16, 2014 7:18:11 GMT -6
I enjoy it so u know
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2014 7:34:40 GMT -6
My older brother is disabled and I feel the same. And shiffty if person is hospitalized and there is a reason to think that he can infect others, he will be classified as bio-hazard disclosure. All visitors and staff that will be in direct contact with the patient should be notified usually. An infection can affect staff, protecting gear is not 100% fail-proof. And there are many things that can get pass by the system. I worked with patients suffering from things like Swine influenza when there was a an epidemic here a couple of years ago, rare fevers, HIV, Hepatitis etc. Ebola killed around 9-15 thousand people in the last 30 years or so (again only to medical science, since it was unknown before) and most of the epidemics had a death toll of a few hundreds, the recent one have a death toll of around 8000, which is concerning and the worst one by far yet. But do take into account the poor quality of treatment and infection control that those countries are dealing with, it contribute to those numbers by a lot. Even if Ebola can is very dangerous, not to say things lung infections and things that are perceive as non deadly disease in modern times won't kill you, it most definitely can and i've witness patients hopltzied with Pneumonia and pass away a day after. It is not necessarily about the % the disease may kill you,various people have differently reaction, state. But again, many contagious diseases out there demanding a death toll of hundred of thousands and millions opposed to the few thousands Ebola claimed in Africa. Who is making drama? We've seen how this disease can spread and and we're aware of what it can do to a person. There's nothing wrong with discussing the possibility of an outbreak and suggesting people need to have a shred of concern about this disease. I meant that there is drama with the media over it, wasn't necessarily talking about this discussion. It is deadly and infections, but people just taking it a step too far to my eye...
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Ebola
Oct 16, 2014 9:11:48 GMT -6
Post by Adrenaline on Oct 16, 2014 9:11:48 GMT -6
I'm beginning to wonder if ebola deters one's ability to think with common sense, then I realize that even people without the disease are complete dumba$$es too. This new nurse called CDC multiple times before flying because she had a 99.5 fever and was recently working with patient zero. The CDC said it was okay to fly because she wasn't at 100.4. Seriously? Is the CDC completely inept? Is the nurse even dumber for considering to fly? It's as if both of these parties just went stupid. A fever can rise by the minute....why even take the chance? You're already sick! Plus temperature is no way to gauge an illness. If your temperature has risen at all from its normal temperature, the virus is already in play. What is wrong with these idiots? Use your freakin brain! And apparently the woman came in close contact or sat next to a school teacher on the plane who teaches in Cleveland. Wonderful. Lets give the disease to children now. They spread germs like wildfire. That nurse should be fired. I realize she has a 50/50 chance to live, but her actions afterwards were and are utterly disgraceful. Same with the CDC official that gave her permission to fly. Dumb, dumb, dumb! Then I read this: www.cbsnews.com/news/ebola-outbreak-plane-isolated-at-madrid-airport-for-ebola-check/Person visits Nigeria, then flies to Paris, then to Madrid, feeling sick with fever and shivers. Lets just share ebola with other countries. Do people have no clue what this is? Do they not have any consideration for others? No common sense? Are they that selfish? Why are you visiting Nigeria right now? Why did patient zero go anywhere near West Africa and then have the audacity to come to the US? I realize we can count on one hand how many people have the virus right now not in Africa, but this is how it begins. It only takes 1, then 3, then 6, then 20, then 50, then 100, then 1000, then 5000 and so on. Unbelievable. Then the nurse is already in Atlanta.....don't get me started on this "isolation by travel" procedure. Brainless. Expect the next patient to be there in Georgia, the state above me. People are thick-headed. Condemn me for saying this, but these people might deserve their fate for irresponsibly and stupidly putting hundreds of people in danger. It's simply boggling my mind how ridiculously foolish and ignorant these patients have been and those treating them. Ebola is hard to live through already, but if people were smart, it could at least be contained.
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