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Post by angelo2113 on Jan 24, 2015 23:35:03 GMT -6
Edited: Apparently the reissue was for the North American collectors. Not from what I heard / remember. It was reissued to open up a new market in a new territory and North American collectors just piggybacked on the chance of a reissue. Ah, you were correct... "The FiguartsZero Goku was the very first Tamashii Web Exclusive that was ever re-issued and that was a very, very special case because its main purpose was for launching the market in Europe. The North American market sort of piggy-backed on that re-issue, but again, mainly for Europe and other new markets just to get the Dragon Ball thing going over there. It's not likely this can ever happen again because the limited nature of the Web Exclusive label pretty much ensures that once it comes out, it's done." www.tohokingdom.com/interviews/tamashii_nations_hannah_lemmur_bluefin_xavier_lim_08-2014.html
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2015 23:48:48 GMT -6
This article is from April 2014, the Secondary Lottery Sales was due to a month after that in May 2014. The reviewer was obviously referring to the Secondary Lottery Sales of the DBZ releases in the Premium Bandai(which Cosmic Group, SD Distributions and Bluefin go through).
Lim responded about the Figuarts Zero Goku, which was part of this along with the other five releases, but it wasn't actually a re-issue.
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Post by angelo2113 on Jan 25, 2015 0:00:51 GMT -6
Is there confirmation that they were referring to those lottery sales? They seem to continuously refer to it as a re-issue without mentioning any of the other five releases.
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Post by BrownDynomite on Jan 25, 2015 1:08:31 GMT -6
Super Vegeta.. Great idea angelo2113 Way better option than rereleasing the same figures. We need them to make new characters, and stop asking for trunks and Vegeta. Sorry. I don't mind rereleases but at this point in the line, it's time to move forward. I do like different versions of characters though.
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Post by thinkcure54 on Jan 25, 2015 2:53:41 GMT -6
Super Vegeta.. Great idea angelo2113 Way better option than rereleasing the same figures. We need them to make new characters, and stop asking for trunks and Vegeta. Sorry. I don't mind rereleases but at this point in the line, it's time to move forward. I do like different versions of characters though. I would so give up on ssj vegeta for a super vegeta
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Post by prodigy1367 on Jan 25, 2015 8:54:29 GMT -6
I personally prefer new characters over re-releases as well but at the same time I do feel bad for new collectors who can't get their hands on some of the basic characters of the series (namely Vegeta and some villains). I too had to pay scalper prices to complete my figuarts collection, although they weren't as high as they are now, so I can sympathize with the newcomers.
Just to clear a few things up, here is the interview with Tamashii representative Adam Newman. The DBZ discussion begins at 13:00
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Post by littlegreen on Jan 25, 2015 8:59:27 GMT -6
Yep it sucks to have to pay $150+ for a figure that was $50 or less when it was released. But you if you want to collect the line you just have to suck it up and shell out the money if you want it bad enough. It cost me a lot to get where I am now, and I'm still/probly never will be caught up. I still need Trunks, Vegeta, and a bunch of SDCCs.
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Post by prodigy1367 on Jan 25, 2015 9:12:18 GMT -6
Yep it sucks to have to pay $150+ for a figure that was $50 or less when it was released. But you if you want to collect the line you just have to suck it up and shell out the money if you want it bad enough. It cost me a lot to get where I am now, and I'm still/probly never will be caught up. I still need Trunks, Vegeta, and a bunch of SDCCs. Exactly. I wish I could've gotten all of mine for retail but there's always gonna be people joining in at different times of the line. These ARE collector's figures after all so they will never be at the mass production level as other lines like Jakks and Irwin were. I don't think re-releasing Web Exclusives is completely out of the question, but it will happen some time from now. The line is still pretty young and is now beginning to be recognized by Bandai for the potential it really has. I have a feeling a few years from now, we'll be getting a much more consistent supply of new characters and re-releases. The line is only thriving and it has plenty of room to grow. It's the best articulated line of DBZ to date and it's not dying out anytime soon
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Post by gotenks on Jan 25, 2015 10:20:26 GMT -6
well I saw few of you also wanted some "2.0" character like me, so I decided to show how I would like the 2.0 series to be. "Goku 2.0" Heads - Normal head, Super Saiyan head, Super Saiyan 2 head. Faces - 7 normal faces, 7 SS faces (that will fit with SS & SS2 heads) - serious, smirk, happy, yelling (looking to the side), yelling (looking forward), in pain face, scared from Chi Chi face. Hands - 6 sets of hands (all the hands that came with Normal Goku + fusion pose hands) + Instant Transmission hand Effects - Kamehameha Charging effect and Kamehameha Blasting effect Torsos - Saiyan Saga Torso (Kame kanji in the front, King Kai kanji in the back), Namek Saga Torso (with the kanjis goku have in the Namek saga), Cell/Buu Saga Torso (without any kanji) Shoes - 2 Pairs (early DBZ pair and middle to end DBZ pair) one belt, one sash, one attachable potara earing to the faces "Vegeta 2.0" Heads - Normal heas, Super Saiyan head, Super Saiyan 2 head. Faces - 6 normal faces, 6 SS faces, 6 Majin faces - serious, smirk, yelling (looking to the side), yelling (looking forward), in pain face, pissed off face. Hands - 5 sets of hands (all the hands that came with saiyan saga Vegeta + fusion pose hands) effects - energy balls (that came with saiyan saga Vegeta) and Final Flash Blasting effect Torsos - Namek Saga Torso (with the shoulder pads), Cell Saga Torso, Buu Saga Torso Arms - 2 pairs of arms - one pair with blue long sleeves for the Namek/Cell sagas outfitss, one pair without sleeves for the Buu saga outfit. crossed arms with blue long sleeves, crossed arms without sleeves, one attachable potara earing to the faces. *I didn't include Frieza saga outfit because the jumpsuit he had under the armor in that outfit is darker than the others. "Piccolo 2.0" Basicly the same figure, only changes I'll made - one more cape, with a flying look. more heads with and without turban - serious, angry, smirk, yelling (looking to the side), yelling (looking forward), pissed off face. Special Beam Cannon effect. and I want it to be in anime colors like the SDCC one "Trunks 2.0" Basicly the same figure, only changes I'll made - Heads - normal head, long hair normal head, SS head, long hair SS head. Effect - an energy ball sleevles Jacket, and sleevles pair of arms. one broken sword. if you got any more ideas for extra parts/another character to the 2.0 series please share
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Post by FromTheInside on Jan 25, 2015 10:52:14 GMT -6
well I saw few of you also wanted some "2.0" character like me, so I decided to show how I would like the 2.0 series to be. "Goku 2.0" Heads - Normal head, Super Saiyan head, Super Saiyan 2 head. Faces - 7 normal faces, 7 SS faces (that will fit with SS & SS2 heads) - serious, smirk, happy, yelling (looking to the side), yelling (looking forward), in pain face, scared from Chi Chi face. Hands - 6 sets of hands (all the hands that came with Normal Goku + fusion pose hands) + Instant Transmission hand Effects - Kamehameha Charging effect and Kamehameha Blasting effect Torsos - Saiyan Saga Torso (Kame kanji in the front, King Kai kanji in the back), Namek Saga Torso (with the kanjis goku have in the Namek saga), Cell/Buu Saga Torso (without any kanji) Shoes - 2 Pairs (early DBZ pair and middle to end DBZ pair) one belt, one sash, one attachable potara earing to the faces "Vegeta 2.0" Heads - Normal heas, Super Saiyan head, Super Saiyan 2 head. Faces - 6 normal faces, 6 SS faces, 6 Majin faces - serious, smirk, yelling (looking to the side), yelling (looking forward), in pain face, pissed off face. Hands - 5 sets of hands (all the hands that came with saiyan saga Vegeta + fusion pose hands) effects - energy balls (that came with saiyan saga Vegeta) and Final Flash Blasting effect Torsos - Namek Saga Torso (with the shoulder pads), Cell Saga Torso, Buu Saga Torso Arms - 2 pairs of arms - one pair with blue long sleeves for the Namek/Cell sagas outfitss, one pair without sleeves for the Buu saga outfit. crossed arms with blue long sleeves, crossed arms without sleeves, one attachable potara earing to the faces. *I didn't include Frieza saga outfit because the jumpsuit he had under the armor in that outfit is darker than the others. "Piccolo 2.0" Basicly the same figure, only changes I'll made - one more cape, with a flying look. more heads with and without turban - serious, angry, smirk, yelling (looking to the side), yelling (looking forward), pissed off face. Special Beam Cannon effect. and I want it to be in anime colors like the SDCC one "Trunks 2.0" Basicly the same figure, only changes I'll made - Heads - normal head, long hair normal head, SS head, long hair SS head. Effect - an energy ball sleevles Jacket, and sleevles pair of arms. one broken sword. if you got any more ideas for extra parts/another character to the 2.0 series please share I fully support all of these.
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Post by littlegreen on Jan 25, 2015 11:21:21 GMT -6
well I saw few of you also wanted some "2.0" character like me, so I decided to show how I would like the 2.0 series to be. "Goku 2.0" Heads - Normal head, Super Saiyan head, Super Saiyan 2 head. Faces - 7 normal faces, 7 SS faces (that will fit with SS & SS2 heads) - serious, smirk, happy, yelling (looking to the side), yelling (looking forward), in pain face, scared from Chi Chi face. Hands - 6 sets of hands (all the hands that came with Normal Goku + fusion pose hands) + Instant Transmission hand Effects - Kamehameha Charging effect and Kamehameha Blasting effect Torsos - Saiyan Saga Torso (Kame kanji in the front, King Kai kanji in the back), Namek Saga Torso (with the kanjis goku have in the Namek saga), Cell/Buu Saga Torso (without any kanji) Shoes - 2 Pairs (early DBZ pair and middle to end DBZ pair) one belt, one sash, one attachable potara earing to the faces "Vegeta 2.0" Heads - Normal heas, Super Saiyan head, Super Saiyan 2 head. Faces - 6 normal faces, 6 SS faces, 6 Majin faces - serious, smirk, yelling (looking to the side), yelling (looking forward), in pain face, pissed off face. Hands - 5 sets of hands (all the hands that came with saiyan saga Vegeta + fusion pose hands) effects - energy balls (that came with saiyan saga Vegeta) and Final Flash Blasting effect Torsos - Namek Saga Torso (with the shoulder pads), Cell Saga Torso, Buu Saga Torso Arms - 2 pairs of arms - one pair with blue long sleeves for the Namek/Cell sagas outfitss, one pair without sleeves for the Buu saga outfit. crossed arms with blue long sleeves, crossed arms without sleeves, one attachable potara earing to the faces. *I didn't include Frieza saga outfit because the jumpsuit he had under the armor in that outfit is darker than the others. "Piccolo 2.0" Basicly the same figure, only changes I'll made - one more cape, with a flying look. more heads with and without turban - serious, angry, smirk, yelling (looking to the side), yelling (looking forward), pissed off face. Special Beam Cannon effect. and I want it to be in anime colors like the SDCC one "Trunks 2.0" Basicly the same figure, only changes I'll made - Heads - normal head, long hair normal head, SS head, long hair SS head. Effect - an energy ball sleevles Jacket, and sleevles pair of arms. one broken sword. if you got any more ideas for extra parts/another character to the 2.0 series please share I think we would all be the happiest DBZ collectors alive , but most of those things, I just don't think will happen
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Post by prodigy1367 on Jan 25, 2015 11:25:19 GMT -6
Those types of figures are too extravagant for Tamashii to make. They include way too many amazing things for them to produce. As their behavior's indicated, the cheapest way is the best way in their eyes
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Post by Bardoon on Jan 25, 2015 11:31:47 GMT -6
Just because zero ssj goku was rereleased doesnt mean that any of the sh figuarts in the dragonball line will be rereleased. I mean. They are two different lines. Correct, but all the lines fall under the Bandai's "Tamashii Nations" banner. Along with S.I.C., Movie Realization, Robot Spirits/Damashii, Tamashii Buddies, Myth Cloth, D-Arts, MonsterArts,etc. So a lot of the same policies hold true for all the lines. As long as it's slapped with the "Tamashii" banner...it's part of the team.
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Post by roshisurprise on Jan 25, 2015 12:52:24 GMT -6
Bardoon your post addressed more than one topic so I'll reply to it in parts. Sorry in advance for its length. I don't know if I didn't make my point clear or if you're using an irrelevant point in the conversation but when I said they don't want to rerelease their figures, I meant the exclusive ones and not the regular releases. To tamashii, regular releases and exclusive releases are two entirely different business strategies that each should be dealt with separately. You've already had this argument before with M5 so let's not have it again. However, the fact is, you are wrong about the japanese market losing interest in the line. The proof is two things; the speed by which the preorders run out on tamashii's website, and the aftermarket prices in Japan. You can't argue with the numbers man. Since all DBZ figuarts preorders sell out in Japan like 2 weeks after the announcements (unlike the US where figures remain on the shelves after the release) and because vegeta sells on YAJ for 14,000 yen, you have to admit to yourself that the S.h figuarts DBZ figures sell in Japan as well as (if not better than) the U.S. The web exclusive label is a strategy of making more and faster profit and not merely "selling on their website because their sales are poor" First of all, the digimon release is irrelevant because of a very important fact, this is the first time this figure is released as a figuarts, it was initially released in the D-Arts line (as a web exclusive yes, but D-Arts) so it's technically not a rerelease. Meaning that, if one day tamashii release android 16 in the soul of Chogokin line or cell in monster arts, it won't be considered a rerelease. As for zero goku, he was released for the European market but bluefin (who I wouldn't take their word for anything since they are mere distributers) labelled him as a rerelease. However, this move greatly hurt the figuarts zero line as people now don't trust that no other figures will be rereleased, making aftermarket prices for zeros fall (check japanese websites) and affecting sales for zeros as scalpers have lost interest. This is the core of our debate. Tamashii is a company that seeks maximum profit and not honor nor respect so let's put these out of the picture. according to your theory, tamashii made the line web exclusive because it didn't run well, so why didn't they simply release new figures as regulars and not exclusives since the line has become so popular now? The answer is simple, they don't want to rerelease exclusive figures. Why? Scalpers! Tamashii loves scalpers, every company on the face of the earth that sells a product loves scalpers. Because what are scalpers to a company? They are businessmen that buy huge amounts of a product, making the company a lot of profit in a short period of time. So why would tamashii hate them? Let's consider broly as an example, on this forum, I know of three collectors who purchased 15-20 Brolys each (making tamashii great profits in a short period of time). Why did they do that? because they know that this figure won't get rereleased so they want to make proft from it. If broly wasn't an exclusive, would they have done that? no. Would tamashii have made lots of proft in a short period of time? no (they would've made it after a couple of rereleases but that's the time value of money). Thus it makes sense that tamashii want to have the figures as exclusives and don't want to rerelease them.
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Post by zend on Jan 25, 2015 23:07:16 GMT -6
Those types of figures are too extravagant for Tamashii to make. They include way too many amazing things for them to produce. As their behavior's indicated, the cheapest way is the best way in their eyes Recent Figures such as 18 and Broly scream quite the opposite about Tamashii to me, but I respect your opinion.
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