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Post by prodigy1367 on Jan 24, 2015 19:12:40 GMT -6
DBZ is their biggest selling line in the US. At the end of the day, Bandai/Tamashii/Bluefin want to make money because they're a business. For some reason unknown to us, re-releasing anything besides Manga Goku, Piccolo, and Gohan is impossible for them currently or they would've done it already. Perhaps it's licensing issues, contract issues, we don't know unfortunately, BUT it's definitely something on the business side that is holding them back. I don't think it's an issue of honor or exclusivity with respect to the collectors since they've already broken that the moment they re-released Figuarts Zero Goku. I have a feeling in the near future, we will be seeing re-issues of a majority of the current web exclusives. Once whatever issues they are having get cleared up, the re-issues will begin. They are well aware of the bootlegs and how they are missing out on potential profit. It's their job to research and be up to date on these types of issues. Money is money at the end of the day and the goal of the business is to make that zeni. In the interview with the Tamashii rep, he even said that they were working on it internally, but unfortunately right now, we're stuck in the scalpers market
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Post by thinkcure54 on Jan 24, 2015 21:27:34 GMT -6
Just because zero ssj goku was rereleased doesnt mean that any of the sh figuarts in the dragonball line will be rereleased. I mean. They are two different lines.
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Post by littlegreen on Jan 24, 2015 21:31:43 GMT -6
They are different but Zero is the closest thing to Figuarts.
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Post by thinkcure54 on Jan 24, 2015 22:08:01 GMT -6
They may be very close, but the lines are still different. They are two different contracts aren't they?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2015 22:25:50 GMT -6
So given that Tamashii is re-releasing Web Exclusive Garurumon in "Original Designer's Edition" colors (which basically just looks like more shading). Can we get Original Designer's Editions of SSJ Vegeta, Trunks and SSJ3 Goku too? But this goes back to that big debate about their "Web Exclusive" Policy and here they go about "getting around it" again...Not to dig too much into a dead pointless subject; there is an entire infrastructure that is based on the principle that the item is an exclusive release. It's part of the marketing that associate to those sets. It's a scalper market - and it's not just Tamashii. Things aren't all that simple as one might think. Bandai, a corporation that have an annual revenue of billions of dollars, and large portion from their collectibles characters companies, will not destroy its entire investors network that support their huge Tamashii shelf line up offerings to rerealse an exclusive item just for the demand for it. They knew that there would be a demand for it down the line and that's when the scalpers job come into place. That said, while the release itself is an exclusive, the mold is not. So the mold to be released as an alternate version\ SDCC repaint are very possible (like with SDCC Vegeta). Trunks\Super Vegeta\SSJ3 Goku are most definitely a primary likelihood that we would see in the following years IMO. It sure does, you need to listen more carefully sometimes my friend... Here are a couple more examples of this: With MonsterArts the market niche is very different from DBZ, Ghidorah, most of the Godzilla releases, Gigan are not limited - guys like Mothra and Battra, the effects sets etc are limited releases. There are many other Tamashii production which are straight up retail releases with sometimes a big variety of characters, it's all due to the different niche the layout of the marketing is determined to make the most out of any of their product lines. For Dragon Ball the Figuarts releases are all limited after 2011, since Bandai Namco control 95% or so of the DBZ market, there is nothing like Figuarts, and having this very popular and tight niche of the line limited bring in a lot profits in the after market. The DBZ line is one the their best selling lines around the world, we literally see people paying over 1000% more than retail for a limited figure that is no longer available. With Tamashii keeping a format of 3-4 release per year + 1 alternate release(SDCC), marketing all of those as limited releases, they created a very good business strategy to profit most out of this line, and maximizing their sales to their full potential. I stand by words and I think we would see all the sought after release being re-released as an alternate version in the following years. We need to remember that in the end of the day the DBZ line is a VERY small poration from the S.H Figuarts line, and among Robot Spirits, Soul of Chogokin etc, Figuarts are only one of the many products that Tamashii make. Tamashii is a whole is a VERY small part from the Bandai corporation, so for them to break the policy and re-issue past limited releases is simply not possible and will only hurt Bandai. This is a billions of dollars business, and quite honestly, no one care that you want a SSJ Vegeta for retail. This will be like a drop in the ocean for them. The reissue law is mumbo jumbo, a self-imposed "rule" that Tamashii doesn't even follow all the time. For example, the clearest example is the SSJ Goku Figuarts ZERO who has been re-issued despite being a web exclusive. Figuarts Zero SSJ Goku, according to any official source, was never re-issued. It is however was a part of the Premium Bandai shop restock in 2014, along with Cell, SSJ3 Goku, Trunks and Frieza. p-bandai.jp/item/item-1000088324/?utm_source=search&utm_medium=pc&utm_content=imglinkNot trying to crash anyone dream to see SSJ Vegeta or Trunks being re-issued, but the reailty is that is simply not how things work. I mainly agree with Roshi and Boddah that I think brought up some good points. I agree that maybe in the long run they might change their formula and release repaints\alternate releases outside of SDCC for DBZ, like with Godzilla 2000 and Garurumon. But at the same time kind of sick of seeing things like - I admit, I'm a little disappointed in some of my fellow collectors who believe so strongly in it. Not going to tell anyone how to think, and I don't know all about Tamashii or Bandai like other impose. I have collected japanese dbz merch for about four years now and I know this market very well. I made this post for the point of being factual. And to debunk a couple misconsumptions that are simply plain wrong. Just my two cents.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2015 22:54:54 GMT -6
One last thing that I would like add is a comment from a discussion I had about re-issuing exclusives from Michal Shipman, the admin of the Articulation Series. He works as a freelancer for Tamashii, and they actually have used some of his work for their official advertisements. shma-articulationseries.com/index.html
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Post by angelo2113 on Jan 24, 2015 22:56:15 GMT -6
The reissue law is mumbo jumbo, a self-imposed "rule" that Tamashii doesn't even follow all the time. For example, the clearest example is the SSJ Goku Figuarts ZERO who has been re-issued despite being a web exclusive. Figuarts Zero SSJ Goku, according to any official source, was never re-issued. It is however was a part of the Premium Bandai shop restock in 2014, along with Cell, SSJ3 Goku, Trunks and Frieza. Adam Newman stated that Goku Figuarts Zero was a reissue web exclusive. I'm going to consider him to be an official source.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2015 22:59:23 GMT -6
Figuarts Zero SSJ Goku, according to any official source, was never re-issued. It is however was a part of the Premium Bandai shop restock in 2014, along with Cell, SSJ3 Goku, Trunks and Frieza. Adam Newman stated that Goku Figuarts Zero was a reissue web exclusive. I'm going to consider him to be an official source. Can you please link to where he says that? This was a restock in the P-Bandai I provided a translation and a link. According to Tamashii site and any other source this was never actually reissued. If you think that the SSJ Goku Zero was re-issued, then you are saying that Trunks, Frieza, SSJ3 Goku, Cell, Scouter Vegeta were as well. ameblo.jp/yoyocom69/entry-11848509390.htmlp-bandai.jp/item/item-1000088324/?utm_source=search&utm_medium=pc&utm_content=imglinkp-bandai.jp/item/item-1000088324/?utm_source=search&utm_medium=pc&utm_content=imglinkhttp://p-bandai.jp/item/item-1000088324/?utm_source=search&utm_medium=pc&utm_content=imglink
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Post by angelo2113 on Jan 24, 2015 23:01:14 GMT -6
Adam Newman stated that Goku Figuarts Zero was a reissue web exclusive. I'm going to consider him to be an official source. Can you please link to where he says that? This was a restock in the P-Bandai I provided a translation and a link. According to Tamashii site and any other source this was never actually reissued. If you think that the SSJ Goku Zero was re-issued, then you are saying that Trunks, Frieza, SSJ3 Goku were as well. He states that in a video interview at 2014 NYCC. Edited: There's only two videos so it shouldn't be difficult to look for.
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Post by Gonstead on Jan 24, 2015 23:02:01 GMT -6
@m5jagdragonpanzeriv I think he means when the SSJ Goku Zero was put out to open up a new market (I forget where though). That's the only case I can think of a re-issue.
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Post by angelo2113 on Jan 24, 2015 23:07:15 GMT -6
@m5jagdragonpanzeriv I think he means when the SSJ Goku Zero was put out to open up a new market (I forget where though). That's the only case I can think of a re-issue. That sounds familiar. Either way, Newman mentioned it in the interview while talking reissues and said that they have no set policy on reissues for web exclusives. Edited: Apparently the reissue was for the North American collectors.
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Post by timone317 on Jan 24, 2015 23:14:41 GMT -6
guess it doesn't hurt to say this since it's just as unlikely to happen as the web exclusives being reissued. I'm at a point where I'd prefer a 2.0 Vegeta...I'm not entirely sure how they could improve the body, IMO it's perfect aside from the oddly shaped neck, but if it were up to me it would have slightly updated armor, armored boots, and two alternate heads with faces(normal and super saiyan) with the same skin tone seen on the latest Goku. That kind of Vegeta would kill three birds with one stone.
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Post by Gonstead on Jan 24, 2015 23:24:17 GMT -6
Edited: Apparently the reissue was for the North American collectors. Not from what I heard / remember. It was reissued to open up a new market in a new territory and North American collectors just piggybacked on the chance of a reissue.
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Post by angelo2113 on Jan 24, 2015 23:27:26 GMT -6
guess it doesn't hurt to say this since it's just as unlikely as to happen as the web exclusives being reissued. I'm at a point where I'd prefer a 2.0 Vegeta...I'm not entirely sure how they could improve the body, IMO it's perfect aside from the oddly shaped neck, but if it were up to me it would have slightly updated armor, armored boots, and two alternate heads with faces(normal and super saiyan) with the same skin tone seen on the latest Goku. That kind of Vegeta would kill three birds with one stone. I think if they updated anything in regards to armor then it should be saved for Super Vegeta, which is very possible and would actually be a much better version of Super Saiyan Vegeta.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2015 23:32:44 GMT -6
Edited: Apparently the reissue was for the North American collectors. Not from what I heard / remember. It was reissued to open up a new market in a new territory and North American collectors just piggybacked on the chance of a reissue. This was a part of the secondary lottery sales in the premium Bandai, and included Trunks, SSJ3 Goku, Frieza, Scouter Vegeta and Cell. Check Tamashii listing site, mfc or any other documenting source, one production released in august 2013. "Everyone Good evening Japan national team of W Cup is I was selected today but he is I was waiting while pounding so was not called the name from Zakkeroni director wrote the now thus blog . Gyahaha Premium Bandai is resale in Figuarts has reserved start today [Summer Kore 2014 of soul secondary lottery sales]" tamashii.jp/item/10335/p-bandai.jp/item/item-1000088324/?utm_source=search&utm_medium=pc&utm_content=imglink
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