Wave
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Post by Wave on Jul 14, 2015 20:35:11 GMT -6
I emailed BBTS about whether they would get more stock in, and they gave a general "check back in case of cancellations" answer. So I believe that was their full order of Goku's that sold out.
I don't think I can justify the price of this figure to myself at this point.
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Post by prodigy1367 on Jul 14, 2015 21:15:04 GMT -6
I went to Image Anime in NY on Monday and the owner said he had to wait in line just like the rest of the people for Goku. He said he wasn't able to order any stock directly form Bluefin. He was able to get a good amount preview night but then they started capping the purchases because they needed to have enough for the entire event. People/scalpers/retailers were leaving with cases of em the first night. This leads me to believe that Bluefin either underestimated how many Goku's they were gonna sell and brought too little supply with them OR are holding a lot of the stock to sell directly through their own site for the typical markup price they always give ($65 going off of last year's Vegeta).
Hopefully for people that can't order through Bluefin, around the time they do go up, eBay prices may drop accordingly. I think they'll dip a bit before that but we'll see.
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Post by littlegreen on Jul 14, 2015 21:30:47 GMT -6
Bluefin is my only hope, I refuse to pay over $100 for this guy.
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Post by prodigy1367 on Jul 14, 2015 21:38:29 GMT -6
Bluefin is my only hope, I refuse to pay over $100 for this guy. Don't worry, it'll happen. It just has to! I was luckily enough to score mine preview night for $90 by ravenously messaging people on Ageless Geeks and managed to get two for my cousin and I. I thought I paid too much at the time but the day after, he took off. Luckily the guy was cool and didn't cancel my order or charge me more. Already got the tracking number so now the wait is on  |
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Post by littlegreen on Jul 14, 2015 21:43:44 GMT -6
Bluefin is my only hope, I refuse to pay over $100 for this guy. Don't worry, it'll happen. It just has to! I was luckily enough to score mine preview night for $90 by ravenously messaging people on Ageless Geeks and managed to get two for my cousin and I. I thought I paid too much at the time but the day after, he took off. Luckily the guy was cool and didn't cancel my order or charge me more. Already got the tracking number so now the wait is on Yeah we should at least give Bluefin a week, but I'm already anxious.  |
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Post by micro72 on Jul 14, 2015 21:49:43 GMT -6
As a new collector... I'm feeling hopeless...
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tjduckett
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Post by tjduckett on Jul 14, 2015 23:36:57 GMT -6
This isn't a sport. We're not debating good or bad purchases. We're talking about people spending money. If I try and snipe bid a product but they had a higher bid than myself? Guess what? They still get the item. It's the consumer equivalent to gambling. I'm sorry the idea of people who have money, a desire and a lack of market knowledge scares you but as you said, this is how supply and demand works. So in that regard? No, there is no inexperienced bidder because when a person puts down money on something, that determines worth to that person. Your comparison to investment is completely off. While people do try and turn a profit off of figures you are failing to acknowledge that the collectibles market has a large number of people with disposable income who when they want an item for their collection, they get it. It's a fact. Are you even able to communicate, without making it so painfully obvious exactly how stupid you are. Your stubbornness and outright refusal to accept the obvious fact that you are wrong does not make your argument right. You said there is no such thing as an inexperienced bidder, and that there is no advantage whatsoever to prior experiences with auctions. So, therefore the fledgling eBayer is just as experienced at placing a successful bid as those who are placing their hundredth or even thousandth bid. That is just dumb! Knowing when to place a bid can be just as important as the number you enter - maybe even more so. So you would say there are no advantages to extrapolating opposition bidders past bidding increments to better estimate their current highest bid, allowing you to efficiently outbid competition at the last second - ensuring you the lowest probable margin for success and the best end price possible. I'm afraid you aren't fully comprehending the true art of bidding in auctions. The idea isn't to simply win the auction by bidding the highest. Any Arab with an oil well and Swiss bank book can do that. It's about making your purchases at the best possible price - knowing that an auction has exceeded the item's worth and when to walk away. True victory comes from placing a well timed bid and securing an item for well bellow the items real value - leaving your opposition crushed and in a bewildered stupor. Such a flawless victory can only come from experience cultivated through the years of trial and error. Point, case. I used to do the sniping thing and whatnot until I realized it doesn't matter if another person has put a higher "highest bid" than you, regardless of when you place your bid. |
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Post by SupremeKai on Jul 15, 2015 2:14:40 GMT -6
*Face-palm* Yes it does - of course it does. Let's say you place your bid three days prior to auction's end, instead of sniping. By doing so you are affording the opposition every opportunity to outbid you and further driving up the price, needlessly. Let's assume your bid was higher than all others and you are the current highest bidder - great right? Well sure, but not for long... generally the bidding goes stagnate leading up to the final last minute frenzy. This is a good thing. The last thing you want to do is get the ball rolling again. The idea is to limit the total number of bids during this period to an absolute minimum. The fewer number of bids, the lower the final sale price will be, thus saving you your hard earned. Essentially your misconception is costing you in the long run.
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Post by tjduckett on Jul 15, 2015 3:10:47 GMT -6
*Face-palm* Yes it does - of course it does. Let's say you place your bid three days prior to auction's end, instead of sniping. By doing so you are affording the opposition every opportunity to outbid you and further driving up the price, needlessly. Let's assume your bid was higher than all others and you are the current highest bidder - great right? Well sure, but not for long... generally the bidding goes stagnate leading up to the final last minute frenzy. This is a good thing. The last thing you want to do is get the ball rolling again. The idea is to limit the total number of bids during this period to an absolute minimum. The fewer number of bids, the lower the final sale price will be, thus saving you your hard earned. Essentially your misconception is costing you in the long run. Don't understand the need for the facepalm asterisks or typing in a condescending manner, but I digress. Let me see if I can explain myself any better... Let's say I have a bid for $20 on an item that's going for $100 now and I'm the highest bidder... There are three days left and the "smart bidder" are waiting. They come in... Seconds left... Each of them puts in super smart bids with the max being $50 out of all of them. Time runs out. If I put in my max bid of $99 figuring hell I'm at least gonna save a dollar, then I will have won the bid with $51. It's not like early bids just make prices go beserk. Eventually the price is going to cap no matter what. This is why you don't see bids going above b.I.n. pricing. The only way for your scenario to work in the way that you described is 0 bids up until the very end which is the only time I attempt sniping anymore. That way it's literally everyone putting their prices on the table at the same time and hopefully the winner's highest bid was one they consider a good deal. Unfortunately that's rarely the case on highly sought items like the figuarts... Seems to work like a charm for things like classic video games I hunt down. |
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Post by blank on Jul 15, 2015 3:42:59 GMT -6
*Face-palm* Yes it does - of course it does. Let's say you place your bid three days prior to auction's end, instead of sniping. By doing so you are affording the opposition every opportunity to outbid you and further driving up the price, needlessly. Let's assume your bid was higher than all others and you are the current highest bidder - great right? Well sure, but not for long... generally the bidding goes stagnate leading up to the final last minute frenzy. This is a good thing. The last thing you want to do is get the ball rolling again. The idea is to limit the total number of bids during this period to an absolute minimum. The fewer number of bids, the lower the final sale price will be, thus saving you your hard earned. Essentially your misconception is costing you in the long run. Thats pretty much it. I always find it dumb for those who bid early thinking that being the top bidder makes you winner in the end or better chance of winning the item. Thats what happened in cases of the MexiGoku. The MexiGoku got word out of it and people wanted it but don't know how to get it, word got out of ebay, people joined, and made dumb bids as they were inexperienced. Thus driving up the price and themselves. The same thing happened with this Namek Goku, there was several auctions at the time when I got mine for $110 with free shipping for buy it now. The auctions were going for $75-$90 with two or four days left. A experienced bidder would know that those prices in that time left will end up going over the $110 of the buy it now, so best to go for the buy it now, as I did. And sure enough, the buy it nows sold out fast and the auctions ended with way over to $145-$160. I mean I understand that everyone wants everything for the cheapest price, but sometimes you have to know what the product/item value, condintion and popularity is. MexiGoku was popular, not many can afford it, SDCC Namek Goku was announced, everyone caught on since they can't get or afford the MexiGoku, so expect the prices to go up and up of the SDCC Namek Goku. And such has happened.
Also doesn't matter if have a lot of money, that only those with a lot can get what they want. Thats all lies. A experienced buyer/collector will somehow find a way or find it for way cheaper. Like once me and my friend once wanted the same figure, my friend had the money so he bought his for $250. A few weeks later, I got the exact same figure for $25. Another example, my brother wanted a passenger side rear view mirror for a car, he wanted it be original brand and new, he was going to spend in the $125-$200 range, I told him to let me look for it, a few days later found it for $65, original brand and new too. But so in this case I spent $110 for SDCC Namek Goku, I was going to wait for Blufin as a few of you are saying, but I myself got worried that they'll sell out fast, so I got mine for $110 from ebay as a back up, since i had the money. But for all of you waiting for Bluefin, and if it does happen and are able to get it for less, then there you go, just proved my point of doesn't matter if you have a lot of money to put down, that only those with a lot of money can afford it is false.
Sorry for the long post but just wanted to put in my two cents since I read that post of "There is no such thing an inexperienced bidder, just consumers with money."
But anyways... Darn Bluefin, somehow always takes long to post up, or they can at least say that they'll have it for sale.
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Post by coot83 on Jul 15, 2015 4:56:07 GMT -6
*Face-palm* Yes it does - of course it does. Let's say you place your bid three days prior to auction's end, instead of sniping. By doing so you are affording the opposition every opportunity to outbid you and further driving up the price, needlessly. Let's assume your bid was higher than all others and you are the current highest bidder - great right? Well sure, but not for long... generally the bidding goes stagnate leading up to the final last minute frenzy. This is a good thing. The last thing you want to do is get the ball rolling again. The idea is to limit the total number of bids during this period to an absolute minimum. The fewer number of bids, the lower the final sale price will be, thus saving you your hard earned. Essentially your misconception is costing you in the long run. Im the same way with ebay. I used to play the keep being the highest bidder game, but to only cause the item o go up more before the real crunch time. Now a days I wont throw a bid down early unless its an item that doesn't seem to have many followers on it and I am worried I might forget about it. Besides that, I wait until the last minute and bid normally $35-60 above the top bidder and if its meant to be its meant to be. Most of the time, the top bidder will be prepared for $20 more than what he/she has down, but many times the $27 threshold is when they lose. Its always a risky game playing it this way, but bidding in the predictable sense either causes the item to cost way more than it should of or you flat out missed it in the end. Coot |
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Post by SupremeKai on Jul 15, 2015 5:08:35 GMT -6
Every single bid drives the auction price higher, even if you still happen to hold a much higher bid at auction's end. With each new bid placed the price automatically rises to the next lowest interval above the unsuccessful. By allowing other opportunities to place more of these bids you are effectively cheating yourself out of winning by at the very best price. Sure you had already committed to spending up to your maximum amount, but you are depriving yourself an opportunity to snag it for less. Thus grabbing yourself a bargain.
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Post by coot83 on Jul 15, 2015 5:53:30 GMT -6
In a perfect world you only bid once on an ebay auction. Im debating whether or not to hold out on bidding on the namek goku. It would piss me off if these sky rocket next month again.
Coot
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Post by wiizardii01 on Jul 15, 2015 6:46:36 GMT -6
Does anyone know if Mhtoyshop will change the price of the figures that are for preorder? For my case, the battle damaged goku and repaint vegeta.
Thanks.
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Post by drowningrabbit on Jul 15, 2015 6:54:39 GMT -6
seeing what they go for now i dont feel quite as bad giving 109 and free shipping.i grabbed it first day to make sure but i'm hoping they will go down i still need 2 more one more for my display and one for a friend. You lucked out bud. Hopefully Bluefin will put them up soon. Once that happens, eBay prices will tank HARD. Pending it does actually come through. |
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