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Post by The Great Saiyaman on Sept 9, 2014 16:38:21 GMT -6
The reason I even mentioned it was because of 17....they're giving him two scarves with a clip on peg on his chest...there's absolutely no reason Tien can't have two of his own shirt accessories with a peg on his back, so it isn't viewable on his shirtless chest. Then a 2nd set of arms (like everyone has) with white sleeves. It's genius, yet so easy for them to do. There's a huge difference between an alternate scarf and a removable shirt. A removable shirt just wouldn't work without having a completely separate torso. First off, the alternate static crossed arm pieces that the DBZ releases have come with have attached to the figures by the bicep swivel. This still leaves the existing shoulder and shoulder socket in the figure. This socket is basically a giant ball/socket joint with a plastic cap to hide it inside the figure. Even if they made the ball/socket joint removable for an arm swap, there would still be a giant flesh coloured cap. Secondly, even if the shirt pegged into his torso, it would look like a crop top every time you made the figure lean forward or backwards, since the gi-clad DBZ figures' torsos extend underneath their belt sections. The only way they could get past these two problems would be if the shirt was a static piece which completely blocked all articulation or a completely separate clothed torso piece... Which isn't likely to happen. Now, the green sash could work if it somehow locked into his belt (or was alternatively part of an alternate belt piece), but that would leave him with no torso articulation. I honestly wouldn't mind this option, and this seems like something they might do. The alternative which preserves the torso articulation would again be the crop top affect when he leans forwards or backwards.
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Post by Gonstead on Sept 9, 2014 23:28:06 GMT -6
I wouldn't mind if the shirt and sash were made of rubber, just not as dense as the old Irwin model kits of course but not thin enough that it rips easy.
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Post by Branjita on Sept 9, 2014 23:39:00 GMT -6
I wouldn't mind if there was no shirt on Tien at all. That's better than being stuck with a specific look for him imo. In many situations, he'd take off his shirt to fight. That wasn't the case in Android, Cell, or Cell games though. I would prefer if he came with some sort of green sash to put over his shoulder at least. I don't really care about other looks personally as he did very little while wearing one of his white shirts. So bare chested with optional green sash would be cool, but they could skip that for all I care so long as they include a Chaozu with him with a few faces. Chaozu does not need to be very complicated. Just give him some different heads and one alternate hand for dodompa and he's satisfactory. Tien though... he needs a lot of hands... He has so many attacks that he practically does sign language lol.
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Post by roshisurprise on Sept 10, 2014 4:52:04 GMT -6
If I would personally pick what costume tien is in I would pick his most conventional. To me this is the most iconic look for tien and if the colors are well done like that with 16, I can only imagine how awesome he would look!
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Post by Adrenaline on Sept 10, 2014 9:14:27 GMT -6
The reason I even mentioned it was because of 17....they're giving him two scarves with a clip on peg on his chest...there's absolutely no reason Tien can't have two of his own shirt accessories with a peg on his back, so it isn't viewable on his shirtless chest. Then a 2nd set of arms (like everyone has) with white sleeves. It's genius, yet so easy for them to do. There's a huge difference between an alternate scarf and a removable shirt. A removable shirt just wouldn't work without having a completely separate torso. First off, the alternate static crossed arm pieces that the DBZ releases have come with have attached to the figures by the bicep swivel. This still leaves the existing shoulder and shoulder socket in the figure. This socket is basically a giant ball/socket joint with a plastic cap to hide it inside the figure. Even if they made the ball/socket joint removable for an arm swap, there would still be a giant flesh coloured cap. Secondly, even if the shirt pegged into his torso, it would look like a crop top every time you made the figure lean forward or backwards, since the gi-clad DBZ figures' torsos extend underneath their belt sections. The only way they could get past these two problems would be if the shirt was a static piece which completely blocked all articulation or a completely separate clothed torso piece... Which isn't likely to happen. Now, the green sash could work if it somehow locked into his belt (or was alternatively part of an alternate belt piece), but that would leave him with no torso articulation. I honestly wouldn't mind this option, and this seems like something they might do. The alternative which preserves the torso articulation would again be the crop top affect when he leans forwards or backwards. I think we're over-thinking it. I was thinking that you could remove his arm and head to get them on, but that theory might be out the window. So why not give them two, two piece, snap on shirt accessories that snap on at the shoulder and underarm and 100% conforms itself to his chest, so it's not like a loose, bulky piece. The additional back peg like 17 has on his chest can be added for more security, if needed. I don't see how that could get in the way of bending if Goku's shirt doesn't over his belt. I think that's why they made Goku's shirt kinda thin there. Tien can have the same. Maybe arm swiveling could be a little issue with his green sash because it hangs over the shoulder a little bit, but they need to make it the same material as 18's skirt. With the technology they got and the additional lengths of efforts we're seeing now with the latest Figuarts, any other way will be a failure in my mind. Of course, they need to announce him first lol Sorry this has gone off-topic, but 17's video inspired the thought.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2014 12:47:14 GMT -6
I much prefer the shirtless Tien and long hair Yamcha Saiyan saga look. It seem unlikely to me that Tamashii will give us an option to displaly them as either saga if they would make them. They would have done the same with other releases if they did, Vegeta could have removable armor pads to give an option for a Namek saga display option, they could even go farther and include some sort of shoulder pieces to be able to make a Frieza saga look. I don't think it really benefit them, and they would prefer to save the opportunity to make consumers buy another release of the same character, rather than be super nice and include all this extra parts and accessories. That said, I just want Tien and Yamcha to be released at this point, Cell or Saiyan look I would buy either one. They could even release them in an empty box with just the main figure and no accessories, with a Tamashii Bandai logo and a middle finger print next to it for 60$, and I would still buy Tien and Yamcha, that's how much I want them to be made.
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Post by littlegreen on Sept 10, 2014 13:14:50 GMT -6
I could care less how he looks. If Tamashii makes a Tien I'll buy one.
EDIT: Or three... (Multiform)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2014 13:20:15 GMT -6
Even though Piccolo, Krillin and Cell use it in Z but not Tien?
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Post by littlegreen on Sept 10, 2014 13:21:02 GMT -6
Well yeah but Tien is most notable for it in my opinion.
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Post by Adrenaline on Sept 10, 2014 13:40:24 GMT -6
True, but with a character like Tien, whom they know won't sell as well as Goku, why not give him all the possible accessories he needs? lol So they won't have another worry about making another and to raise his value with the parts. Plus I think they're getting better with each figure. If Vegeta were getting released next year, they might have given him removable waist armor. I guess we won't know until it happens. But you have a point....they didn't give 18 a removable jacket Tien did use the multi-form in the Z filler scene against the Pendulum Room Saiyans, Scarface and Shorty...and he was wearing almost the same outfit he wore in the Trunks Saga, one of the forms that could be included if they make him
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Post by Branjita on Sept 10, 2014 15:51:36 GMT -6
Yup, Tien used the multi-form in the pendulum room when he fought Scarface and Onion or whatever their names were, while training on Kami's Lookout in Saiyan Saga. I would buy Tien if he was only made in his Cell Saga outfit, but I'd prefer shirtless. The Cell Saga outfit looks goofy when displayed with the other characters from Saiyan Saga. If they can't make the green thing attach to his shoulder, well... I'd rather have shirtless. He was shirtless in most of DB, all fighting scenes in Saiyan Saga except the pendulum room I believe, all Namek Saga scenes, and in DBZ movie 9 Bojack Unbound. I think he was wearing a shirt in Tree of Might. Having to custom sculpt that thing on Tien's bare chest is a lot easier than scraping it off and sculpting skin.
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Post by roshisurprise on Sept 10, 2014 16:09:06 GMT -6
I would very much prefer long haired yamcha too, maybe even DB version. I wasn't really a fan of short haired, baseball yamcha. I prefer wolf fang fist, sword yamcha!
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Post by Branjita on Sept 10, 2014 16:54:43 GMT -6
Technically he had his hair in a pony tail when playing baseball, and it was still long. I want an orange gi Yamcha, because there has never been a large figure of him... ever. There's the 2003 AB one, but it is a pretty sad representation of Yamcha. The body is fine, but the head... yikes. At least the Scultures DB Yamcha and IF Labs DB Yamcha exist, and both are really good. It's pathetic that Irwin, Jakks, Bandai, and Banpresto never made Yamcha in his orange gi. There are some 2 and 3 inch figures, but that's it. There's the HSCF one, but he's wearing an undershirt and uses the same torso as Goku...
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Post by The Great Saiyaman on Sept 10, 2014 17:32:59 GMT -6
You guys have brought up some good points, but let's face it. There's no way Tamashii is going to give us a shirt with this guy unless it's sculpted to his torso. They just don't do alternate outfits. Like we all previously mentioned, they could have done it with 18 and Vegeta... And hell, they could have done it with Krillin or any of the Gokus. But they didn't. Tien being not being a popular character is even more reason for them not to include more parts... Because more parts means more plastic. More plastic means a higher price tag. And if he's already going to have mixed sales due to popularity, making him more expensive will only make things worse. And if I can only have one look, I want the shirtless one.
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Post by littlegreen on Sept 10, 2014 17:37:26 GMT -6
You guys have brought up some good points, but let's face it. There's no way Tamashii is going to give us a shirt with this guy unless it's sculpted to his torso. They just don't do alternate outfits. Like we all previously mentioned, they could have done it with 18 and Vegeta... And hell, they could have done it with Krillin or any of the Gokus. But they didn't. Tien being not being a popular character is even more reason for them not to include more parts... Because more parts means more plastic. More plastic means a higher price tag. And if he's already going to have mixed sales due to popularity, making him more expensive will only make things worse. And if I can only have one look, I want the shirtless one. Agreed. Great points.
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