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Isn't that exactly what Goku, and Vegeta, did? At the end of BoG Goku absorbed the God ki and power into his normal form. It seems like Vegeta also had that happen to him. The time limit doesn't matter to Goku. He mastered the power and made it his own right when he took on the form. As for SSGSS, it's just going first base SS while you have God ki. Goku and pretty much every other adult SS has mastered the base SS form. They did that back in the Cell Saga. There isn't any drain on their bodies anymore from only base SS. From what Toriyama said, base SS is the only level that can be mastered and used with no drawbacks. Which is why the higher levels won't be used anymore.

When did he say that?

I mean I would be very happy to see that be the way this goes, but I'm just curious. I have to agree that we don't really need a SSGSS3 form.

Lol @ death. Last episode of DBS, Vegeta and Goku go God to defeat the final villain and die shortly after saving the universe 

Maybe that's how Frieza got revived since technically, the 7 Dragonballs can't revive him...

Ahh Toriyama, you had a plan all along. You sly fox you 

It was back at the beginning of the year. Toriyama said that ss2 and ss3 are just variations on the original ss form and that they are not worth using because of the sapping of energy they cause. Training the normal form and normal ss will always be better. And, we saw during the Cell games that it is completely possible to plain get rid of the energy sap of normal ss. When Goku and Gohan were able to make it so they could be ss all the time, even while sleeping, and not have any of the drawbacks.

So, Goku and Vegeta should have absolutely no drawbacks to going ssgss. If the God ki is part of them like the end of BoG, and there is no drain from normal ss, they can just be blue haired forever. Lol

I really hope we don't. I think the longer Dragonball goes on, the less likely it is, too. Considering Toriyama forgets the differences and the later forms. It's just too much for him. That's why he said there won't be ss2 and ss3 anymore. Trying to simplify it for himself. If he didn't cut it down, that'd be 7 forms for him to keep track of. I feel kinda bad for the guy, especially if he has health issues that are causing his memory to be so bad.

The new transformation do bug me a bit. I like them from an aesthetic perspective but in terms of making them in spite of the old transformations doesn't make a lot of sense to me, considering the lack of distinction.

If Toriyama said 'I don't like the old transformations so I have these new ones.' And then came out with new original aesthetics for them, then sure no problem. But they're like exactly the same with a color change, seems pointless to me.

But I'm also a fan of the old transformations including SS4. I thought they were well designed and all had their own purposes and drawbacks and were just cool. To me DBZ was defined partly by each character trying to reach a higher power and a new level to overcome the odds. It isn't complicated storytelling but it was entertaining and the transformations and display of these powers made it even more entertaining.

I'm not really a Pokemon fan anymore but that was my favourite part about Pokemon as a kid, when Ash's Pokemon reached new levels and got stronger and took new forms, it kept it fresh. I remember as a kiddo couldn't wait for Ash' Pikachu to finally evolve and remember getting excited over cliffhangers where I thought he had no choice but to evolve.

Obviously I eventually clued in on the fact that this was never gonna happen, but it was exciting. Same applies for DBZ, at least for me.

So my point here is that in saying he didn't like the other transformations Toriyama has confuses me with the current design choices, unless he plans some cool original designs, then these new transformations are largely pointless.