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Post by wiizardii01 on Jun 3, 2015 12:07:06 GMT -6
Don't believe I said I was frustrated or upset with these advanced releases. I said quiet the opposite actually lol. Don't worry I'm not taking offense I got these figures because as always I'm a completionist when Im collecting anything. Not sure why your comparing food to action figures either. My finiancials can obviously afford food and 200+ dollar action figures  . If I couldn't don't worry I would have gotten food instead... maybe lol. I got them because in some weird way collecting them all gives me a satisfied and happy feeling as I'm sure we all can relate too. And saying it is only plastic is kinda ironic since two single pieces of paper aka 200 dollars is supposed to be worth more then plastic . Anyways I'm digression lol. My point is I got my figures because I genuinely love dragon ball and love collecting things. Also because shf is one of the best lines I have collected. How much I payed for my collection be damned! Oh yes definently, I am a completionist too, trust me we all are in one way or another  However, to me there is a certain line. And that line is kinda crossed when a figure or something is being sold for a price that they aren't worth for. I see an SH figuarts frieza going for 100 dollars, I take it, because I still think that 100 dollars is worth it than spending all that 100 dollars on dvd, which is something I can buy at anytime (hoping they don't get out of stock.) I tell myself that it was stupid, but in the end, I only accept it and I am happy. However when its priced at 200 dollars.... Well then it get's too ridiculous to me. I try to think smart in that way, that I could either wait for them to do something like they are doing right now, or just out right not buy them and live on with my life without a figure which is much more worth than having to spend that money on a figure, feel alot of regret and feeling stupid, and then either keep it sealed, or have it standing on my shelf worrying myself to death that it won't fall, or all of a sudden a joint or something breaks or gets loose and then comes off and I have to use superglue to stick it back, and finally realising that I just wasted all that money. But I get where you come from though |
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Post by littlegreen on Jun 3, 2015 12:25:06 GMT -6
Maybe on the secondary market spending $200+ could be a bad idea, but you've never shopped Sideshow/Hot Toys then if you think there aren't any figures worth over $200 retail. They're not really action figures, they are collectibles and are to be treated like such, you aren't gunna take it from your shelf and start playing around with them. Hot toys is like comparing 2012 Dodge Challenger to a 10 year old Volvo. Different caliber my friend. I have to disagree, I take my Iron Man and pose him around quite a bit. Obviously not as much as I pose around my Figuarts, but Hot Toys are not the fragile "statues" people make them out to be. Especially these new diecast ones they're making, like the Mark XLV. AND back in the old days, like 4, 5 years ago, Hot Toys were relatively "cheap" compared to what the are now. I got my Mark IV brand new for less than $200.
EDIT: That Mark XLV I mentioned is $354.99 by the way. Now that I agree is ridiculous for a figure...
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Post by wiizardii01 on Jun 3, 2015 12:30:40 GMT -6
They're not really action figures, they are collectibles and are to be treated like such, you aren't gunna take it from your shelf and start playing around with them. Hot toys is like comparing 2012 Dodge Challenger to a 10 year old Volvo. Different caliber my friend. I have to disagree, I take my Iron Man and pose him around quite a bit. Obviously not as much as I pose around my Figuarts, but Hot Toys are not the fragile "statues" people make them out to be. Especially these new diecast ones they're making, like the Mark XLV. AND back in the old days, like 4, 5 years ago, Hot Toys were relatively "cheap" compared to what the are now. I got my Mark IV brand new for less than $200.
EDIT: That Mark XLV I mentioned is $354.99 by the way. Now that I agree is ridiculous for a figure...
Still the superb detail that goes to hot toys is incredible and they would obviously come in more limited quantity than 6 inch figures.. Anyways we are getting a little off topic.... Or are we? I mean we are still talking about SH figuarts in a way, lol. |
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Post by roshisurprise on Jun 3, 2015 13:39:22 GMT -6
prodigy1367 I disagree completely with you but let's not go there to avoid useless arguments. However, how I see it, tamashii wouldn't have labeled this line an exclusive if they didn't have scalpers "scalping" stock as their strategy. I don't believe in the theory that says they made the line exclusive because it didn't sell well in Japan, that's nonsense to me. I believe they made the line exclusive to to be able to profit from it first hand and sell out their stock as quickly as possible due to scalpers. Now if I run a business that partially relies on scalpers, I wouldn't want to screw them over now would I?
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Post by prodigy1367 on Jun 3, 2015 13:54:26 GMT -6
prodigy1367 I disagree completely with you but let's not go there to avoid useless arguments. However, how I see it, tamashii wouldn't have labeled this line an exclusive if they didn't have scalpers "scalping" stock as their strategy. I don't believe in the theory that says they made the line exclusive because it didn't sell well in Japan, that's nonsense to me. I believe they made the line exclusive to to be able to profit from it first hand and sell out their stock as quickly as possible due to scalpers. Now if I run a business that partially relies on scalpers, I wouldn't want to screw them over now would I? Scalping doesn't help Tamashii in any way though. You could argue that scalpers raise the perceived value of the figure by charging ridiculous prices but at the end of the day it's the collector's that are determining the "value". If a scalper charged $300 for a figure and no one bought it, they would be forced to lower the price and continue to do so until they found a price point where the figure gets bought. In a sense, we, the collector's have raised the price of these figures. If no one paid the crazy prices, then the scalpers wouldn't charge them cuz they wouldn't sell. DBZ is a popular enough show that the figures sell themselves, so scalper's "promoting" the high value isn't really needed. Simply put, some of the Tamashii business execs don't have enough faith in the line and are just plain dumb. Now, they've FINALLY realized what a cash cow the Dragonball license is, hence all the new releases and "re-issues". Really, the only way scalpers "help" Tamashii is providing a third party market to sell figures once they've sold out. Simply promotion really. Tamashii has already made it's profits at that point though. Once the official stock is sold out, that's where the profit ends. The reason why they're exclusives is because they are a collector's line. They're not just "toys" you would find at a Walmart or Target, but they're collectables fetching a higher price tag for the high quality and status as figures. |
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Post by dbzcustoms114 on Jun 3, 2015 14:11:24 GMT -6
I think they'll add somethings like on Vegeta the vegitto feet with the boot tips that everyone customizes onto him. And for trunks a broken sword blade heart virus cure or something else because everyone thought the hilt for the scaber was from when it broke
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Post by littlegreen on Jun 3, 2015 14:35:50 GMT -6
Hopefully they'll paint Trunk's pupils, I think they look way better solid black.
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Post by beevee on Jun 3, 2015 14:57:14 GMT -6
Dat SSJ Vegeta prototype is sexy af.
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Post by prodigy1367 on Jun 3, 2015 15:23:06 GMT -6
I'll take it if that's all it is. He's so sleek and well shaded. That's how ALL Figuarts should look
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Post by Adz on Jun 3, 2015 15:33:45 GMT -6
my guess is manga versions shading cant cut it as a new release surely?? but thats what 'advanced' brings to mind... however i dont think they would label them as 'manga' versions anyway because they havent done that before from the beginning in fact it brings to light again how stupid theyve been with colouring anyway, because they gave us all the manga colours for most releases and then dropped trunks and vegeta in the anime colours (well maybe just trunks- dont know what they would do to vegeta - alighter blue maybe?) the only real anime colours weve had apart from those are the androids, freeza and the sdcc of Gohan and Piccolo. its good for everyone who wants it anyway as the people who missed out can get them... bad thing (for those who already have the originals) will be if they are better than the original releases - but hopefully they wont be! Hopefully they WILL be you mean! Any differentiation at all technically would be a new figure. It may just be a flat-out re-issue, with a new box, and new tips of the boots to match the Cell Saga where they actually showed up. no i REALLY DO hope they are not better, because i already have the originals! so i dont wont to have to feel that i have a crapier version of the figure, and have to contemplate shelling out even more on characters i already have.. i dont think they will just be a rerelease with a different box - unless 'advanced colour ' is refering to the box!!  they are going to do anything they deem fit- minor or major - to get around their no reisue rule, please the fans, and milk the cash cow at the same time, so its anyones guess at the moment |
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Post by drowningrabbit on Jun 3, 2015 15:43:12 GMT -6
Hopefully they WILL be you mean! Any differentiation at all technically would be a new figure. It may just be a flat-out re-issue, with a new box, and new tips of the boots to match the Cell Saga where they actually showed up. no i REALLY DO hope they are not better, because i already have the originals! so i dont wont to have to feel that i have a crapier version of the figure, and have to contemplate shelling out even more on characters i already have.. i dont think they will just be a rerelease with a different box - unless 'advanced colour ' is refering to the box!! they are going to do anything they deem fit- minor or major - to get around their no reisue rule, please the fans, and milk the cash cow at the same time, so its anyones guess at the moment It totally is up in the air. All we can do is speculate man. I was just kidding about them being better and hoping either way. Obviously people who don't have them are going to want them to be better, while the people with them aren't. We shall see how it shakes out in the coming months. Hopefully we at max see them at SDCC. |
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Post by prodigy1367 on Jun 3, 2015 15:48:35 GMT -6
I have em and I want em better. The figures could always improve and if they're gonna look anything like the prototypes, I'm all for it! It's my damn figure addiction making me want to buy more and more  |
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Post by Adz on Jun 3, 2015 16:33:35 GMT -6
well you must have more cash and more display space than me! TBH i dont think anything will make me want to buy the reissues because there is nothing wrong with the original trunks really and SS Vegeta does have shading anyway, its just the proto is a lighter blue. each to their own though! |
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Post by jonmichael on Jun 3, 2015 16:42:29 GMT -6
prodigy1367 I disagree completely with you but let's not go there to avoid useless arguments. However, how I see it, tamashii wouldn't have labeled this line an exclusive if they didn't have scalpers "scalping" stock as their strategy. I don't believe in the theory that says they made the line exclusive because it didn't sell well in Japan, that's nonsense to me. I believe they made the line exclusive to to be able to profit from it first hand and sell out their stock as quickly as possible due to scalpers. Now if I run a business that partially relies on scalpers, I wouldn't want to screw them over now would I? The decision to make the line web exclusive originally happened before they opened their market to the west, before their popularity grew. It was before the movie, before the new series, before the game, before all the current hype. People weren't scalping the line yet. It was actually the complete opposite. The first few figures took a long time to sell out, and went on clearance at a lot of places. The line almost died due to poor sales, that is pretty widely recognized fact. They couldn't make the profit at retail that they would need for the line to continue. We know situations like this are what lead to companies switching to online only, exclusive, or sub style release formats with limited availability. Pretty prominent people in the collectible industry with years and decades of experience have laid this same plan out clearly for people. Scott Neitlich has gone on about the subject in vast detail, as have other makers and design studios. Pulling product from mass retail is the LAST thing almost every company would ever want to do. The end goal for most companies is to get their product in as many locations as possible. If there is a market and demand, a limited release is a very poor choice compared to the profit you can get from a wide release. If you think any company is just going to turn away profit, you're crazy. It's pretty safe to say the line went web exclusive due to poor store sales. It's not a nonsense theory, at all. There is a lot of things to support that. Now, as to why they keep releases web exclusive...who knows? That's as much a guess to anyone, unless you work directly with Bandai and have direct information. |
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Post by roshisurprise on Jun 3, 2015 16:58:06 GMT -6
prodigy1367 and jonmichael I respect your points of view, though I have a different opinion. Let's leave this conversation at that to avoid any unnecessary conflict
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. If I couldn't don't worry I would have gotten food instead... maybe lol. I got them because in some weird way collecting them all gives me a satisfied and happy feeling as I'm sure we all can relate too. And saying it is only plastic is kinda ironic since two single pieces of paper aka 200 dollars is supposed to be worth more then plastic 
