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Post by roshisurprise on Jun 3, 2015 4:27:25 GMT -6
A simple shading wouldn't cut it at all. They still need to make it seem like a new release so that scalpers and poor people who paid a fortune for them aren't entirely screwed. Remember that they don't want to rerelease them.
Accordingly, I do think they'll tweek the figures noticeabley, not just boot tips.
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Post by legato on Jun 3, 2015 4:49:06 GMT -6
when they said "advanced", its like shadowmoon 2.0. they made some improvements on that figure so i guess it will be like that. hopefully, there will be more face plates/accessories too since its "advanced" But it doesn't just say advanced, it says advanced color. I wouldn't expect anything other than straight up repaints. yeah i guess you're right. i overthought that one lol. yeah.. i will also lower my expectation to strictly repaints  |
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Post by legato on Jun 3, 2015 5:00:14 GMT -6
I personally would love to sell mine for triple the money (if people wanna buy em for that) in place for better editions of them. I'm gonna wait like eddieranger said until I put em up for sale though. Once we have official pics and release dates I'll list em right away. IF the value does drop it will take a little while so there is gonna be time left to cash in. Look at how Manga Gohan's value was affected. His value didn't go down for a little time even after the re-issue was announced. I specifically remember when Gohan's reissue was first announced, he's value plunge immediately, with new listings on ebay for around 50 $(when he was going for 200$+ days before that). and I remember seeing a few Gohan's sold within days for around 2000-3000 Yen. Regarding Trunks and Vegeta, it doesn't seem like there is any considerable drop in value, as of yet. But I would imagine that in the long run, when the market would be introduced with new versions of the figures, now anyone that was looking for the figure won't be out of options as before, which in turn might hurt the value of the originals. I don't think that they are ever going to drop in a sense that their value would be destroyed by the new editions, since unlike Gohan, this is a different version and should always hold some value just due to being a different product. I do think however that is very much possible that at least at some point the old editions value would be affected to a certain degree. i'm also having the same problem  part of me says that it will hold value to serious collectors and another part of me says that it will drop in value because of the possibility of better version of the figure. then it come to me to play it as a stock trader would. sell the figure now that it is high, then observe the drop in value when these figures are announced/or in retail then buy it again at that price position  |
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Post by Adz on Jun 3, 2015 7:20:23 GMT -6
my guess is manga versions
shading cant cut it as a new release surely?? but thats what 'advanced' brings to mind...
however i dont think they would label them as 'manga' versions anyway because they havent done that before from the beginning
in fact it brings to light again how stupid theyve been with colouring anyway, because they gave us all the manga colours for most releases and then dropped trunks and vegeta in the anime colours (well maybe just trunks- dont know what they would do to vegeta - alighter blue maybe?) the only real anime colours weve had apart from those are the androids, freeza and the sdcc of Gohan and Piccolo.
its good for everyone who wants it anyway as the people who missed out can get them... bad thing (for those who already have the originals) will be if they are better than the original releases - but hopefully they wont be!
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Post by psycho50501 on Jun 3, 2015 7:32:51 GMT -6
Tamashii Nations facebook page lists SSGSS Goku as a November release. The "awakening version", as seen above, is listed as a November release. I really think it's the same figure. Why would they release two different Gokus in the same month? ROF Frieza and Goku release is in October. The new Goku is coming out a month later in November. It's not the same figure. Those are Japan dates are for SSJGSSJ Goku/Golden Freeza comes out in October, where the awakening super saiyan Goku comes out in November for Japan. |
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Post by wiizardii01 on Jun 3, 2015 7:37:07 GMT -6
Advanced could mean like classic manga colours too, if you.... Know what I mean...  Yeah classic, black and white. People would riot if that happened, lol. |
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Post by drowningrabbit on Jun 3, 2015 9:18:09 GMT -6
my guess is manga versions shading cant cut it as a new release surely?? but thats what 'advanced' brings to mind... however i dont think they would label them as 'manga' versions anyway because they havent done that before from the beginning in fact it brings to light again how stupid theyve been with colouring anyway, because they gave us all the manga colours for most releases and then dropped trunks and vegeta in the anime colours (well maybe just trunks- dont know what they would do to vegeta - alighter blue maybe?) the only real anime colours weve had apart from those are the androids, freeza and the sdcc of Gohan and Piccolo. its good for everyone who wants it anyway as the people who missed out can get them... bad thing (for those who already have the originals) will be if they are better than the original releases - but hopefully they wont be! Hopefully they WILL be you mean! Any differentiation at all technically would be a new figure. It may just be a flat-out re-issue, with a new box, and new tips of the boots to match the Cell Saga where they actually showed up. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2015 9:29:18 GMT -6
jj, I'm loving the way the line is exploding. I always knew this was gonna be the next Jakks/Irwin and I'm happy to see they're heading that way. I'm honestly not worried about a lot of the characters you mentioned coming out. I KNOW they will come out eventually. I've realized it's just patience that's needed with this line. They will eventually give us what we want and I do see what they're doing with their upcoming releases. I've stopped thinking like a collector and started thinking like a business. If I were a company, what would I do? Would I make more money selling Yamchas and Oolongs or make more money selling Goku and Vegetas? The answer is obvious. Right now they're taking advantage of the new movies and upcoming series so it makes perfect sense for them to do what they're doing. The Dragonball universe is massive and there's TONS of characters they can make. Right now they wanna release what is guaranteed to sell to the masses, the casual fans. Let's face it, casual fans only know Saiyans and villains. The minor characters will come out, but don't expect them to take precedence over the big sellers. Even Krillin who is one of the more popular of the minor characters didn't sell out as fast as characters like Broly did. SDCC Piccolo didn't even sell out until a year after he was released and he's a very well known character! The better the line sells the more characters they'll release and the more risks they'll take with minor characters and variations. Just my two cents. I appreciate the response! I agree with it being the next huge line, particularly with the timing of Fukkatsu no F and DBS. And that's true. I generally try to look at it from a business standpoint, and it is certainly more safe to go with what you know will sell, and to sprinkle the rest in. I probably should remove myself from the "catch 'em all!" view point, as I'm not going to collect the (Possibly) 4 Goku that they're releasing this year. I think it's just difficult to do when you've already given years of dedication to a line. Good points, and it's again appreciated! |
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Post by jameslawrence39 on Jun 3, 2015 9:44:09 GMT -6
Hmm cancel my preorder of Datong vegetas.....? I also bought SSJ vegeta and trunks only 4 months ago so I was thinking when this happened I would get upset. But my vegeta and trunks are sitting all lonely in there display cases (payed too much to open and I'm too OCD to buy loose/opened). So I'm actually pretty excited to get me a SSJ vegeta and trunks that I can pose! As for original ssj vegeta and trunks price I'm sure its inevitable that there prices will be effected negatively. Yes serious collectors will still want them but since your none completionist collector or just plain person that doesn't want to pay 300+ dollars for a figure when there is a viable alternative won't be looking to buy them anymore demand will go down and so price goes down. How much it goes down I cannot say. I imagine it will depend on how similar/better these new figures are to originals.
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Post by wiizardii01 on Jun 3, 2015 10:22:52 GMT -6
No offense to people like jameslawrence39 who bought these figures late and all. But it is kinda partly your fault too if you get frustrated that these figures are better than the originals. This is why I have been avoiding to buy figures for over 150 bucks like that. A figure isn't worth that much, and taking the risk of buying a figure at such a price is still in my opinion overly ridiculous. You should never pay that much for a figure simply because a piece of plastic isn't worth that much, other stuff such as food is. And I know people wil proabably tell me ''its their money and they can spend whatever they want with it'' yes, but this is only my opinion. Never buy figures for over 200$ because things like these advanced color releases can happen at any given time. |
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Post by drowningrabbit on Jun 3, 2015 11:00:51 GMT -6
No offense to people like jameslawrence39 who bought these figures late and all. But it is kinda partly your fault too if you get frustrated that these figures are better than the originals. This is why I have been avoiding to buy figures for over 150 bucks like that. A figure isn't worth that much, and taking the risk of buying a figure at such a price is still in my opinion overly ridiculous. You should never pay that much for a figure simply because a piece of plastic isn't worth that much, other stuff such as food is. And I know people wil proabably tell me ''its their money and they can spend whatever they want with it'' yes, but this is only my opinion. Never buy figures for over 200$ because things like these advanced color releases can happen at any given time. Maybe on the secondary market spending $200+ could be a bad idea, but you've never shopped Sideshow/Hot Toys then if you think there aren't any figures worth over $200 retail. |
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Post by prodigy1367 on Jun 3, 2015 11:01:10 GMT -6
A simple shading wouldn't cut it at all. They still need to make it seem like a new release so that scalpers and poor people who paid a fortune for them aren't entirely screwed. Remember that they don't want to rerelease them. Accordingly, I do think they'll tweek the figures noticeabley, not just boot tips. Tamashii doesn't care about scalpers and people that overpaid for em though. They're simply (finally) responding to the overwhelming demand for these figures and supplying it accordingly. Since they can't simply re-release them because they're "Web Exclusive" they're releasing them under "Advanced Painting". This is VERY similar to the situation with the Digimon Metalgarurumon and Wargreymon. When they first came out, they were exclusives and later on they re-released them as "Original Designer's Edition". I'm guessing it will be the same principle carried over to Trunks and Vegeta, although I personally hope they're a bit more "advanced" than just improving the paint job. If they do happen to make Vegeta come out like his prototype though, that'd be enough for me to replace mine. All I don't want is metallic or manga repaints. Easy skip on those. I personally just want some damn boot tips and that'd be advanced enough for me  Original on left, new one on right   |
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Post by drowningrabbit on Jun 3, 2015 11:07:02 GMT -6
A simple shading wouldn't cut it at all. They still need to make it seem like a new release so that scalpers and poor people who paid a fortune for them aren't entirely screwed. Remember that they don't want to rerelease them. Accordingly, I do think they'll tweek the figures noticeabley, not just boot tips. Tamashii doesn't care about scalpers and people that overpaid for em though. They're simply (finally) responding to the overwhelming demand for these figures and supplying it accordingly. Since they can't simply re-release them because they're "Web Exclusive" they're releasing them under "Advanced Painting". This is VERY similar to the situation with the Digimon Metalgarurumon and Wargreymon. When they first came out, they were exclusives and later on they re-released them as "Original Designer's Edition". I'm guessing it will be the same principle carried over to Trunks and Vegeta, although I personally hope they're a bit more "advanced" than just improving the paint job. If they do happen to make Vegeta come out like his prototype though, that'd be enough for me to replace mine. All I don't want is metallic or manga repaints. Easy skip on those. I personally just want some damn boot tips and that'd be advanced enough for me Original on left, new one on right The one thing I fear about the new figures. I don't want the metallic crap like the plague! I'm not a hardcore collector, but I plan on getting 1 of each type of the character. Skipping out on the SDCC releases that I've missed mostly. ( Piccolo, he's only a few changes that I can never even remember straight; Vegeta... ugh, well not even going there; Gohan, the manga colored version is doing me just right; Goku SS3, well DaTong has got me covered luckily, because holy crap is he expensive! ) |
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Post by jameslawrence39 on Jun 3, 2015 11:24:58 GMT -6
Don't believe I said I was frustrated or upset with these advanced releases. I said quiet the opposite actually lol. Don't worry I'm not taking offense I got these figures because as always I'm a completionist when Im collecting anything. Not sure why your comparing food to action figures either. My finiancials can obviously afford food and 200+ dollar action figures  . If I couldn't don't worry I would have gotten food instead... maybe lol. I got them because in some weird way collecting them all gives me a satisfied and happy feeling as I'm sure we all can relate too. And saying it is only plastic is kinda ironic since two single pieces of paper aka 200 dollars is supposed to be worth more then plastic . Anyways I'm digression lol. My point is I got my figures because I genuinely love dragon ball and love collecting things. Also because shf is one of the best lines I have collected. How much I payed for my collection be damned! |
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Post by wiizardii01 on Jun 3, 2015 11:59:29 GMT -6
No offense to people like jameslawrence39 who bought these figures late and all. But it is kinda partly your fault too if you get frustrated that these figures are better than the originals. This is why I have been avoiding to buy figures for over 150 bucks like that. A figure isn't worth that much, and taking the risk of buying a figure at such a price is still in my opinion overly ridiculous. You should never pay that much for a figure simply because a piece of plastic isn't worth that much, other stuff such as food is. And I know people wil proabably tell me ''its their money and they can spend whatever they want with it'' yes, but this is only my opinion. Never buy figures for over 200$ because things like these advanced color releases can happen at any given time. Maybe on the secondary market spending $200+ could be a bad idea, but you've never shopped Sideshow/Hot Toys then if you think there aren't any figures worth over $200 retail. They're not really action figures, they are collectibles and are to be treated like such, you aren't gunna take it from your shelf and start playing around with them. Hot toys is like comparing 2012 Dodge Challenger to a 10 year old Volvo. Different caliber my friend. |
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part of me says that it will hold value to serious collectors and another part of me says that it will drop in value because of the possibility of better version of the figure. then it come to me to play it as a stock trader would. sell the figure now that it is high, then observe the drop in value when these figures are announced/or in retail then buy it again at that price position 
. If I couldn't don't worry I would have gotten food instead... maybe lol. I got them because in some weird way collecting them all gives me a satisfied and happy feeling as I'm sure we all can relate too. And saying it is only plastic is kinda ironic since two single pieces of paper aka 200 dollars is supposed to be worth more then plastic