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Post by Ascat on Oct 18, 2013 1:42:00 GMT -6
not to be out of topic but i always wondered why they didnt make an sbc tien, yamcha, and krillin. its all about popularity. this really sucks though, because anyone who saw DB knows how important they are. i hope that the figuarts doesnt make the same mistake the sbc series did.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2013 2:23:08 GMT -6
not to be out of topic but i always wondered why they didnt make an sbc tien, yamcha, and krillin. its all about popularity. this really sucks though, because anyone who saw DB knows how important they are. i hope that the figuarts doesnt make the same mistake the sbc series did. I always thought they were made in the SBC line but now know differently. Definitely a step forward for Figuarts is that we are getting Krillin
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Post by Silrian on Oct 18, 2013 4:25:16 GMT -6
Uhm guys, Pwn spoke to a lead product developer at America's second largest comic/pop culture convention. Multiple I think actually, but only one gave him his card. This isn't someone 'mildly associated with Tamashii', unless I'm oblivious to what the title 'lead product developer' means.
Also your idea is sound in theory Timone, but will expectedly lack in practice, I can't see enough people joining in to make an impact. But hey I dont blame ya for trying. Is this line mass produced? i think technically not, stuff hasbro makes is mass production. But nevertheless talking about tens of thousands of each release at the least I imagine...(?)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2013 5:04:54 GMT -6
This line is technically mass produced, i imagine too in a scale of tens of thousands of units for each relese.
About pwn post, all i'm saying that we might shouldn't take it too seriously for now at least, the person he talked to is not from Bandai, or any of the inner circles that associate with the head production that make those kind of decisions.
Another thing that should be take into cocedertion is how many different exporters, importers and other bodies those items go through until they reach ebay, amazon, or any other online store. so really by the time you bought the figure, Bandai have sold it a long time before that. be my guest to buy 6, or 60 Krillin's, it wouldn't matter one bit honestly. just take things into perspective and be realistic that's all i'm saying.
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Post by SupremeKai on Oct 18, 2013 6:03:56 GMT -6
If it ships to the selves, they've sold product. If retailers keep ordering more of their product, due to that product selling out, that speaks very clearly to the manufacturer. So never doubts sales again, not ever. That is what capitalism is founded upon, sales!
If what PWN said is true, then yes, he spoke to one - if not THE person who makes these very decisions. The fact that this person was interested enough in what PWN had to say is a very positive indeed. Perhaps he's just lazy and would like PWN do his his job for him, or better yet he might just actually want to give the fan-base a chance to voice their preferences. Wouldn't that be something!
Creating a DIE for a single piece could cost several thousands of dollars. Considering a figure such as these most probably have 50 plus DIEs, means a heck of an outlay to create one figure. Sure, these sons' of bitches have millions to throw at tooling. If it's what the fans are requesting, why the hell wouldn't you just do it? Man-up BANDAI and TAMASHII!!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2013 6:53:19 GMT -6
the person he met wasn't even in japan, what the hell are you talking about. you just like to state your nonsense as fact. i actually worked in a plastic factory so i know a little bit from actuel personal experience about plastic molds, manufacturing & marketing, for a product such as this that will only get a few runs of several thousand items, they will probably use cheap molds that will be scrapped after the manufacturing process.
and yes of course sales is important to every company, but for a multimedia giant such as Bandai, that just in their merchandise branch they are producing dozens of lines every single year for dozens of different franchises, do you really think that anyone there will care if one store might be ordering more krillin figures. give me a break, i'm done talking about this.
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Post by Silrian on Oct 18, 2013 6:58:38 GMT -6
From what Pwn told us, and I don't take him for a naive person tbh, I'm going to interpret his contact as quite legit and positive. The nuance was there that ultimately fan polling is in fact the last thing taken into account when deciding releases, the tip of the iceberg. but they do in fact take it into account. Their own surveys suggest it, The arrival of releases like Trunks, Cell and now Normal Goku suggest it, and now official product developer suggest it.
You have nothing to loose in at least partaking in any initiative that tries to influence them and so far Pwn's work seems to be to me one of the most likely ones to actually somewhat succeed. To what measure? I don't know, that's why I've chosen to put my expectations low, on the level of perhaps speeding up releases of characters or giving the last nudge into them releasing them at all. That sort of stuff. That alone imo would be great and eventually these decisions are made by individuals. Individuals can always be influenced by all kinds of stuff. Changing the POV on something of one can ripple through into an actual product result, I dare say never underestimate that stuff.
I just see no actual benefit in choosing cynicism over naiveté for the moment, I do however admit that I think it's a lost cause to actually try to get them to release minor characters currently. Just my personal estimation, feel free to think otherwise. In my case for example I hope we can influentially increase the chance they will indeed release 17&18. if that alone has even the slightest addition to their decision to do so, I'm already calling this whole thing a win. I'd rather take one step forward then aim for 5 and stand still.
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Post by Silrian on Oct 18, 2013 6:59:03 GMT -6
The person he met was called Mr. Misu, he IS japanese. They really throw the people in charge of these productions right at us on the floor. Hasbro does this as well. Companies WANT to be in touch with their consumers way more often then people seem to think. Also, imo the title 'lead product developer' still seems pretty damn clear to me.
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Post by Branjita on Oct 18, 2013 7:27:32 GMT -6
just the first two sentences would have started an argument so I removed them
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Post by Branjita on Oct 18, 2013 7:39:33 GMT -6
It's weird that they put a product developer at an event. I figured it would have been a more disposable intern or some other person with a mostly unimportant job (when it comes to the product decisions).
Maybe he will be a better contact than expected. I still think that things he supposedly said could be out of context. Sales do drive product development, but if Krillin sells like crap, it isn't necessarily going to mean Yamcha and Tien will not be made, just another Krillin won't end up being made. However, I do believe they'll say "well this probably more popular character Krillin sold bad, so this potentially less popular character Yamcha will not be made" so there is a relationship there. I think I may go ahead and order two Krillins some time next month though. If not only to contribute to showing there is a demand for minor characters, but also because I don't see him as ever being worth less than the money I spend on him if I leave him mib.
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Post by SupremeKai on Oct 18, 2013 8:21:43 GMT -6
He cordially invited us to engage him in dispute and he was wrong, in that instance.
Damn it Silrin you beat me to it! Everyone knows that Japanese people can't go on aeroplanes, their heads explode. What the crap kind of logic is that, or lack thereof. Of course the person in charge of the development and also representatives other departments would turn out to one of the biggest events to spruce their wares. These events are highlights in their calender year, were they get to reveal the fruits of their lackies labour and eat up all the accolades themselves.
The amount of use they are getting out of the Goku DIEs is proof enough they must be using long life high yielding DIEs, not inexpensive silicone or polymer mouldings. You don't complain about the tooling expenses when you only have to fork over a few hundred dollars for a DIE. I think you grossly underestimate the scope of their production. That, or I stock too much faith in their methods. Either or.
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Post by Adrenaline on Oct 18, 2013 8:29:39 GMT -6
Ugh I love how people try to lecture me on Frieza's transformation abilities as if I don't know lol. I realize it's the base form of his natural final form-self. The point is that it's not his "final" form or form he last appears in while alive. You want to argue that? Then be my guest. The form they released was Frieza's final form, in both name and evolutionary status. Seeing as Frieza himself states upon transforming that it is his "final" evolution. Subsequently Frieza's 100% "form" is not in fact a separate evolution - despite what Bandai's videogames would have us believe. Think of it as Frieza withholding his maximum strength, not a transformation. This is of course assuming Frieza didn't know of the transformation beyond this evolution, which was revealed by Cooler in the Cooler's Revenge. However, if you want to argue further this isn't technically canon, seeing as it is not part of the original manga. Cyborg Frieza is not a form, he is still in his "final" form - despite having cybernetic augmentation, in order to sustain his life and mobility. It is said in the anime because of these mechanical enhancements he is able to sustain power levels far beyond the capacity of his wholly organic body. Still, not a transformation dude. If I were to chop of your hand and you had a hook attached in place of your old hand, would you say you transformed into a pirate? Are you blind or did you decide to just skip my previous post and not read the one you just quoted? Not only are you just repeating obvious nonsense, you COMPLETELY overlooked my point. It's his "final" form that he appeared in....it has NOTHING to do with transformations. When the hell did I say he transfromed into Cyborg Frieza? Please provide that proof. Seriously. Go ahead. I never said that. I said it was "a form" that he appeared in after his base final form, which the figure is based off of. I know you were dying to enlighten someone on a subject they know all about already, but nice attempt. Next time, READ. Oct 17, 2013 12:31:28 GMT -4 Adrenaline said: For those that think Kid Buu will be made because he's a "final form," you should remember that the SHF Frieza isn't his final form either. 100% Frieza and Cyborg Frieza came after him. Oct 17, 2013 13:41:12 GMT -4 Adrenaline said: Ugh I love how people try to lecture me on Frieza's transformation abilities as if I don't know lol. I realize it's the base form of his natural final form-self. The point is that it's not his "final" form or form he last appears in while alive.
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Post by SupremeKai on Oct 18, 2013 9:13:35 GMT -6
The point you so clearly overlooked is simple. FF Frieza, 100% Frieza and Cyborg are all the same "form", Frieza's "final form". You said, he wasn't his "final" form. Plus, you asked for it. Literally. So, here it is - this all stems from your misuse of the word "form". You should have instead said; appearance or variation, certainly not "form" - as not to come across as silly. Plus, FF Frieza is his final form.
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Post by Adrenaline on Oct 18, 2013 9:28:49 GMT -6
You're a broken record. Anyways, I called your bluff and you couldn't back it. Good day to you!
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Post by Branjita on Oct 18, 2013 9:41:36 GMT -6
Concerning the word die, technically a die is something used to create an object via pressure through a stamping process. Dies are used for cutting out packaging, so a die is used to cut out the design of the figuarts packaging, but not the figures. Dies are similar to the plastic cookie cutters that look like snowmen, stars, etc. A hole punch can be considered a die.
Figures are generally produced via a mold. Figuarts figures seem (to my assumption) to be produced in this way: first a figure is sculpted, then it is scanned with a 3D scanner, put in a computer, and they refine the engineering of the design (so hair pieces and faces fit precisely together just as an example) and create the articulation, then the pieces are 3D printed, refined, then a mold is made of each little part, and they cast from that. It's actually more likely to be about twice as complicated, but that's a simplified version. Dies might have been involved in making maybe the effects around ss3 Goku if at all.
Anyway, just wanted to clear that up. Everything else son kakarot had said about the business of character choices and all that seems about the same as my opinion.
I do also kind of wonder why they would send someone from Japan to work a toy show in the US. Doubt that is true...
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