hono
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Post by hono on Jun 21, 2020 5:16:44 GMT -6
Good news, but i would have prefered a battle damaged Bardock. Anyway, the classic DB line seems to be forgotten, it looks bad for it :/ In 2020 we have 14 figures so far (including Zamasu and Bulma’s Bike): DBZ: 5 DBS: 5 DB: 4 So I think it’s OK.
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hono
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Post by hono on Jun 21, 2020 5:48:50 GMT -6
M A H B O I S It's bad quality (literally took it while watching) but here it is my dudes I’m happy they chose the original OG Bardock. More fans have more connection to him & his characterization than the new Bardock. Great choice by Tamashii Also what annoys me, I’ve seen people saying how the new Broly movie Bardock is the “canon” Bardock. I can excuse ignorance, because what they are unaware of, the OG Bardock briefly appeared in a flashback in the original manga from Toriyama way way back in the day (when Freezer was reminiscing about why Goku looks so familiar, then he connects the dots & realizes he’s the son of Bardock which looked exactly the same as he did the anime special.) So, naysayers, SORRY, OG Bardock is the original canon, like it or not. Toriyama can do revisionist history all he wants, but what was written/drawn has been set in stone. Sorry for the rant but I had to get that off my chest lol
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Post by gokubr on Jun 21, 2020 6:14:39 GMT -6
Bardock looks awesome! New hair sculpt got me surprised, I thought they'd just copy Goku's one. I think the only thing I'd change is his armor's color. It should be a darker Green (from the og appearence), this one looks like the OVA with Chilled and stuff where he turns SS. Maybe he'll come with a SS Head too. But I really don't care, I'll use his base form for sure.
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Post by frankiefoureyes on Jun 21, 2020 6:44:10 GMT -6
is bardock up for preorder yet?
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Post by ollymovics on Jun 21, 2020 6:48:37 GMT -6
Good news, but i would have prefered a battle damaged Bardock. Anyway, the classic DB line seems to be forgotten, it looks bad for it :/ In 2020 we have 14 figures so far (including Zamasu and Bulma’s Bike): DBZ: 5 DBS: 5 DB: 4 So I think it’s OK. That's definitely not my point!
I only mentioned the Dragon Ball Classic line, the one with the yellow balls.
Since the bike we've had:
Zamasu/Vegeto and Jiren for DBS. Piccolo/Gohan/Bardock for DBZ.
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Post by jj on Jun 21, 2020 7:54:30 GMT -6
I’m happy they chose the original OG Bardock. More fans have more connection to him & his characterization than the new Bardock. Great choice by Tamashii Also what annoys me, I’ve seen people saying how the new Broly movie Bardock is the “canon” Bardock. I can excuse ignorance, because what they are unaware of, the OG Bardock briefly appeared in a flashback in the original manga from Toriyama way way back in the day (when Freezer was reminiscing about why Goku looks so familiar, then he connects the dots & realizes he’s the son of Bardock which looked exactly the same as he did the anime special.) So, naysayers, SORRY, OG Bardock is the original canon, like it or not. Toriyama can do revisionist history all he wants, but what was written/drawn has been set in stone. Sorry for the rant but I had to get that off my chest lol The new figure is the Bardock special design, which isn't cannon. They're minor points, but Bardock is lacking a tail in that panel and, if Toriyama colored it, likely would have had a similar color pallet to the DBS movie. Or at the very least, we don't know the color of his armor in the manga; I think logically it would make sense to match the armor of every other freeza soldier in the manga, especially since that's the color his armor canonically ended up becoming. I think it was those working on the special that decided on the Green armor, red sweatbands, ect. By the logic, is the OG Broly that was designed by Toriyama earlier more canonical than Broly in the DBS movie? I do hear what you're saying, but I guess I do feel the media that most deeply delves into those events and designs of that specific day, being DBS Broly, as designed and written by the man himself, are the most canonical.
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Post by Majin Tomato on Jun 21, 2020 8:51:28 GMT -6
I think that's all beside the point, tbh. Bardock, and Broly for that matter, have looked like their original appearance in every toy, every video game, every trading card, and every special for over a decade. The special appearance, canon or not, IS Bardock for 90% of fans. If they were to do the Minus design, people would be upset. Same with Broly, honestly. OG Broly had two releases prior to DBS Broly, so fans of the original design got their figures already.
Also... no. Minus Bardock is a retcon, period. The Minus design has different shoulders, and didn't have the headband. What appears in the original manga is clearly intended to be the Bardock design from the special. And as far as "he would have colored it differently than the special"... probably? Knowing Toriyama, he probably would color the armor purple and cyan depending on what week it was. But as far as coloring it to be more consistent... remember, this is the man who forgot 18 was Blonde. Expecting Toriyama to make a change "for consistency" is lunacy when the man routinely forgets characters and plot points and chooses colors on the fly.
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Post by jj on Jun 21, 2020 10:11:14 GMT -6
I think that's all beside the point, tbh. Bardock, and Broly for that matter, have looked like their original appearance in every toy, every video game, every trading card, and every special for over a decade. The special appearance, canon or not, IS Bardock for 90% of fans. If they were to do the Minus design, people would be upset. Same with Broly, honestly. OG Broly had two releases prior to DBS Broly, so fans of the original design got their figures already. Also... no. Minus Bardock is a retcon, period. The Minus design has different shoulders, and didn't have the headband. What appears in the original manga is clearly intended to be the Bardock design from the special. And as far as "he would have colored it differently than the special"... probably? Knowing Toriyama, he probably would color the armor purple and cyan depending on what week it was. But as far as coloring it to be more consistent... remember, this is the man who forgot 18 was Blonde. Expecting Toriyama to make a change "for consistency" is lunacy when the man routinely forgets characters and plot points and chooses colors on the fly. I don't disagree with any of this. The point I was responding too was in question if the figure is the "canon" Bardock, not if it's the most famous design of Bardock. I just think it's fair to say the figure is based off of Bardocks special, which, story-wise, isn't canonical, and has it's own visual discrepancies from the manga version. OG Manga Bardock : Has manga shoulder pads, bandana and sweat wear, no visible tail, unclear coloring Bardock Special: Has manga shoulder pads, bandana and sweatwear, a tail, green/red coloring Super Bardock: Has Super shoulder pads, no bandana, has sweatwear, a tail, yellow/blue coloring I think this argument would also apply to Arlia Vegeta. Is Arlia Vegeta the canon version of Vegeta? My guess is most would say "No." One would also likely be hard pressed to argue Arlia Vegeta is more canonical than Dragon Ball Super Vegeta.
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Post by nickclark89 on Jun 21, 2020 11:55:08 GMT -6
SD Distribuciones is going to bring Bardock to Spain so rest your minds, is not US premium exclusive
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Post by Majin Tomato on Jun 21, 2020 12:31:29 GMT -6
Yeah, but that goes into a whole can of worms about what even is "canon" with a show like Dragonball, and that's mostly based on fanbase consensus. In this case, most would say the manga written and drawn by Toriyama is "Primary Canon" and anything else (including DBS:Broly) is either "Secondary Canon" or somewhere even further down the line.
That being the case, I'd argue that the special design AND the DBS design are BOTH canon. Both exist in the Primary Source: The special design in the flashback to Planet Vegeta's destruction, and the DBS design in the Toriyama penned Dragonball Minus. Minus never shows us Bardock's death during Planet Vegeta's destruction, so there's no conflict: He just changed outfits between when he sent Goku away and when he tried to stop Freeza.
Admittedly, the Broly movie using the same design for both scenes is neater, and leaves aside the question of how long it was between Goku's departure and Planet Vegeta blowing up. And frankly, since it's a flashback to Freeza's memory of events, in the long run it is probably easier to hand waive it and ay it's been a few decades and Freeza just remembered events wrong. But again, canon is determined by fans on a case by case basis... for some, GT is still canon and anything from Battle of Gods onward can be ignored. Those who say Special Bardock is still canon because he's in the original manga are completely valid to believe so, even if Toriyama himself might argue otherwise.
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Post by jj on Jun 21, 2020 14:29:39 GMT -6
Yeah, but that goes into a whole can of worms about what even is "canon" with a show like Dragonball, and that's mostly based on fanbase consensus. In this case, most would say the manga written and drawn by Toriyama is "Primary Canon" and anything else (including DBS:Broly) is either "Secondary Canon" or somewhere even further down the line. That being the case, I'd argue that the special design AND the DBS design are BOTH canon. Both exist in the Primary Source: The special design in the flashback to Planet Vegeta's destruction, and the DBS design in the Toriyama penned Dragonball Minus. Minus never shows us Bardock's death during Planet Vegeta's destruction, so there's no conflict: He just changed outfits between when he sent Goku away and when he tried to stop Freeza. Admittedly, the Broly movie using the same design for both scenes is neater, and leaves aside the question of how long it was between Goku's departure and Planet Vegeta blowing up. And frankly, since it's a flashback to Freeza's memory of events, in the long run it is probably easier to hand waive it and ay it's been a few decades and Freeza just remembered events wrong. But again, canon is determined by fans on a case by case basis... for some, GT is still canon and anything from Battle of Gods onward can be ignored. Those who say Special Bardock is still canon because he's in the original manga are completely valid to believe so, even if Toriyama himself might argue otherwise. I completely agree with your philosophy and outlook on what is canon and the fluidity of the definition of it! And I would agree it's fair to say both are canon as well, with both designs appearing in media that were either penned and written by Toriyama (the manga) or designed and written by Toriyama (DBS: Broly.) If there was a debate between which is more likely to be accurate, I would argue DBS compared to his appearance in DBZ. DBZ, as you said, is one panel of Freeza remembering someone he briefly saw 26+ years ago, whereas DBS is like having a documentary of that exact day recorded and shown to us. With context of the narrative, I think DBS is a stronger argument. I appreciate the fun debate!
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Post by crisis on Jun 21, 2020 16:14:03 GMT -6
His original appearance from the 90’s is the most iconic amongst fans, so Tamashii made the right choice
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Post by jj on Jun 21, 2020 17:58:54 GMT -6
His original appearance from the 90’s is the most iconic amongst fans, so Tamashii made the right choice Absolutely. I don't know if I would have bought it if it were the DBS version.
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Post by derpingpikachu on Jun 21, 2020 18:11:39 GMT -6
With Bardock coming I hope Raditz is coming soon too
And also now we need First form Frieza even more to go with Bardock. It would be sweet if they could somehow include his giant death ball from when he blew up Vegeta to recreate that scene
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Post by Ascat on Jun 21, 2020 18:45:00 GMT -6
Just use a big red ball from walmart. Thats what I used when I was a kid lol
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