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Post by sexylady on Jan 14, 2020 3:47:10 GMT -6
Guess Who's coming to Dinner (2020)...
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Post by akiba on Jan 14, 2020 5:48:20 GMT -6
Again ultimate Gohan ? (demoniacalfit)
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Post by gokubr on Jan 14, 2020 6:22:29 GMT -6
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Post by dippergames420 on Jan 14, 2020 7:31:01 GMT -6
Guess Who's coming to Dinner (2020)... How to destroy competition in one fell swoop.
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Post by crisis on Jan 14, 2020 9:02:29 GMT -6
How exactly are they ruining the line? We needed Demoniacal Fit to show Tamashii that there is a market for characters such as Ginyu, otherwise Tamashii would have never even considered making him.
It’s Tamashii’s fault that Goku Black is now going for hundreds of dollars which is ridiculous, and their mentality is “oh well, ya snooze ya lose” because they put a rule on themselves where it’s absolutely forbidden to do a reissue on him. Meanwhile DF provides a much cheaper, near identical alternative with additional accessories... c’mon Tamashii
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Post by hono on Jan 14, 2020 9:16:43 GMT -6
How exactly are they ruining the line? We needed Demoniacal Fit to show Tamashii that there is a market for characters such as Ginyu, otherwise Tamashii would have never even considered making him. It’s Tamashii’s fault that Goku Black is now going for hundreds of dollars which is ridiculous, and their mentality is “oh well, ya snooze ya lose” because they put a rule on themselves where it’s absolutely forbidden to do a reissue on him. Meanwhile DF provides a much cheaper, near identical alternative with additional accessories... c’mon Tamashii And they released an event exclusive Goku Black, in my opinion it makes it even worse. I mean, it`s hard to get the OG and it`s hard to get the event exclusive for a decent price. Why dont they release a Goku Black PCE or something? They are literally losing money while DF is profiting...
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Post by gokubr on Jan 14, 2020 10:32:30 GMT -6
I'm kinda neutral about DF, cause I get both pros and cons about them.
While I do think it's a good thing that we have more competition in the market (Gyniu is a proof of that), I think their QC isn't close to Bandai's. There's a difference in quality overall.
And there's not a big difference on price, I mean, it's cheaper but not that much. The great criticism is about the exclusive/limited ones, which are very expensive.
Besides that, DF doesn't have any costs with the brand's rights, and we all know that this cost is considerable to the final price. If you buy a licensed product such as bandai's, you strengthen the Dragon Ball franchise. Which means more products, more content, more anime, more movies, and so on.
That's why I don't buy DF's stuff. Maybe if they kept their market share on secundary and tertiary characters and/or pack of accessories they could live in "peace" simultaneously.
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Post by hothrebel on Jan 14, 2020 11:11:14 GMT -6
I don't mind DF, but it would be 'better' if they focus on characters that Bandai doesn't make (like the Frieza Soldier or Assault Commander, but also the Ginyu Force) and add-ons. I don't see the appeal for a DF Vegito, Gohan, Goku, etc. expect for the fact that maybe the aftermarket prices are too high for SH Figuarts. The add-ons like head sculpts, outfits and other stuff make more sense to me and they probably have a bigger margin than the DF Figures so it would be fine if they continue that.
I don't get why people say that DF is dead after all the SH Figuarts news since they have so many options they can make that doesn't conflict with SH Figuarts, but for some reason they keep on making existing figures.
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Post by hono on Jan 14, 2020 17:35:58 GMT -6
Bandai is fighting third party companies this year, with the release of Jiren and UI Goku, maybe we get a DBS Android 17 this year since there is the CEA “bootleg”. What do you think?
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Post by dippergames420 on Jan 14, 2020 18:15:44 GMT -6
Bandai is fighting third party companies this year, with the release of Jiren and UI Goku, maybe we get a DBS Android 17 this year since there is the CEA “bootleg”. What do you think? Hoping to God they either do that or a Premium Color #17... from what I hear, the OG #17 and #18 are really good and from what I've seen, they're really good. Please, no more 2.0 reissues of already good figures... I don't think we need to see #17 get Battle Damaged Gohan treatment...
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Post by crisis on Jan 14, 2020 19:01:50 GMT -6
Yeah SHF 17 & 18 are great. The only flaw 17 has is that his shoelaces on one of his shoes is a little sloppily painted as opposed to the other shoe which is perfect. I also wish they included an extra set of arms that had his sleeves rolled up, like when he does the “come at me bro” pose when he’s about to fight Piccoro. Other than that they are cool to have
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Post by Branjita on Jan 16, 2020 9:38:16 GMT -6
I'm still waiting on Tamashii to make a Piccolo 2.0 that is taller and better than the original or SDCC. Regarding DF, we have thread(s) about them, so let's keep this discussion focused on official products primarily. But like Gokubr said, I don't like DF much either. Their Cell Saga Yamcha head is nice, but their quality just isn't that great (having to heat parts to get them to go together sucks), and their original sculpts lack a perfectionist's eye. Their Ginyu compared to Tamashii's Ginyu is like a Dragon Stars figure in quality and sculpt compared to SHF. Their Salza is pretty terrible and doesn't have Salza's proportions at all. The body wasn't even that great for Jeice, though it was not terrible like it is for Salza. Their Banan is pretty awesome, but at the price DF asks for their products, I just don't see the value. For $20, I'd probably buy Banan (they named him "F Soldier"). But at $49, he's a big NO for me. He's basically a Dragon Stars value figure to me, but comes with one extra head. As a result, I'm thinking $30 max. And like Gokubr said, they aren't paying the rights owners of DBZ (Toei and others) for the right to produce these figures, so they are probably profiting more off each figure than Tamashii is... unless their production costs are higher. This is slightly off-topic, but something a lot of people don't think about is just how much the cost of product packaging increases the price of products. I would be incredibly surprised if each DB box and plastic insert wasn't at least $3 of the production cost of the figure (and marked up to at least $6 of the selling price). I wouldn't be surprised if it was up to $10 of the price if the boxes were being produced in America (which they aren't). With that said, it is a shame that it isn't possible to buy DB figures without the boxes. I'd probably buy a few of them in plastic bags if they were sold that way for significantly lower prices.
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Post by volt on Jan 16, 2020 10:09:33 GMT -6
For anyone interested the company that made the bootleg set of Android 17 for DBZ and Super are making a throne for King Piccolo which you can preorder.
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Post by hono on Jan 16, 2020 10:35:43 GMT -6
I'm still waiting on Tamashii to make a Piccolo 2.0 that is taller and better than the original or SDCC. Regarding DF, we have thread(s) about them, so let's keep this discussion focused on official products primarily. But like Gokubr said, I don't like DF much either. Their Cell Saga Yamcha head is nice, but their quality just isn't that great (having to heat parts to get them to go together sucks), and their original sculpts lack a perfectionist's eye. Their Ginyu compared to Tamashii's Ginyu is like a Dragon Stars figure in quality and sculpt compared to SHF. Their Salza is pretty terrible and doesn't have Salza's proportions at all. The body wasn't even that great for Jeice, though it was not terrible like it is for Salza. Their Banan is pretty awesome, but at the price DF asks for their products, I just don't see the value. For $20, I'd probably buy Banan (they named him "F Soldier"). But at $49, he's a big NO for me. He's basically a Dragon Stars value figure to me, but comes with one extra head. As a result, I'm thinking $30 max. And like Gokubr said, they aren't paying the rights owners of DBZ (Toei and others) for the right to produce these figures, so they are probably profiting more off each figure than Tamashii is... unless their production costs are higher. This is slightly off-topic, but something a lot of people don't think about is just how much the cost of product packaging increases the price of products. I would be incredibly surprised if each DB box and plastic insert wasn't at least $3 of the production cost of the figure (and marked up to at least $6 of the selling price). I wouldn't be surprised if it was up to $10 of the price if the boxes were being produced in America (which they aren't). With that said, it is a shame that it isn't possible to buy DB figures without the boxes. I'd probably buy a few of them in plastic bags if they were sold that way for significantly lower prices. With the release of King Piccolo it is just a matter of time until we get a 2.0 Piccolo. I just hope the make a better cape than the 1.0’s
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Post by gokubr on Jan 16, 2020 11:40:37 GMT -6
I'm still waiting on Tamashii to make a Piccolo 2.0 that is taller and better than the original or SDCC. Regarding DF, we have thread(s) about them, so let's keep this discussion focused on official products primarily. But like Gokubr said, I don't like DF much either. Their Cell Saga Yamcha head is nice, but their quality just isn't that great (having to heat parts to get them to go together sucks), and their original sculpts lack a perfectionist's eye. Their Ginyu compared to Tamashii's Ginyu is like a Dragon Stars figure in quality and sculpt compared to SHF. Their Salza is pretty terrible and doesn't have Salza's proportions at all. The body wasn't even that great for Jeice, though it was not terrible like it is for Salza. Their Banan is pretty awesome, but at the price DF asks for their products, I just don't see the value. For $20, I'd probably buy Banan (they named him "F Soldier"). But at $49, he's a big NO for me. He's basically a Dragon Stars value figure to me, but comes with one extra head. As a result, I'm thinking $30 max. And like Gokubr said, they aren't paying the rights owners of DBZ (Toei and others) for the right to produce these figures, so they are probably profiting more off each figure than Tamashii is... unless their production costs are higher. This is slightly off-topic, but something a lot of people don't think about is just how much the cost of product packaging increases the price of products. I would be incredibly surprised if each DB box and plastic insert wasn't at least $3 of the production cost of the figure (and marked up to at least $6 of the selling price). I wouldn't be surprised if it was up to $10 of the price if the boxes were being produced in America (which they aren't). With that said, it is a shame that it isn't possible to buy DB figures without the boxes. I'd probably buy a few of them in plastic bags if they were sold that way for significantly lower prices. With the release of King Piccolo it is just a matter of time until we get a 2.0 Piccolo. I just hope the make a better cape than the 1.0’s I want him to be battle damaged, so I don't mind if he comes without the cape. I prefer a makankosappo effect or something. If he comes with a cape, I hope it comes out better than the Sayiaman's one. Gosh, it's so bad.
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