|
Post by Ketchup on May 8, 2016 17:47:49 GMT -6
The age-old question arises... is there a difference in quality?
I'm convinced there is, but others aren't convinced. It seems to me that the figures with defects that I've gotten are almost always silver/Non-Gold sticker ones. I recently got a Silver Sticker SCultures 5 Golden Freeza... and part of his eye isn't painted in, and there's a noticeable scratch across his forehead.
My HQDX Gotenks has a paint defect on his eye (No sticker, but authentic). My SCultures 5 Bardock has a chunk taken out of his shoulder (Silver Sticker).
The only gold sticker one I got that has noticeable problems was my Master Stars Piece King of Coloring Goku. He has no paint behind his ears.
Anyone care to share their opinion about this?
|
|
|
Post by carnage6 on May 14, 2016 21:26:24 GMT -6
I haven't noticed any quality issues. I think it's just bad luck if you get a figure with bad quality. Has nothing to do with the sticker. I have a gold sticker DXF Vegeta that has bad paint slop. I will say that most collectors value the gold stickers more because they are the Japanese versions.
|
|
|
Post by MajinRob on May 15, 2016 13:56:36 GMT -6
It'd be absurdly expensive to manufacture the figures differently for no financial gain at all. The manufacturer would have to, at the very least, make different molds for the higher and lower quality figures. Then on top of that they'd have to cease production of the high quality figures to start producing the low quality figures, which isnt cost effective. Even assuming they had the machinery to produce both the high and low quality figures simultaneously, why would they offer a product thats low quality on purpose? What purpose does that serve, other than to leave a negative impact on their reputation and cause customers to believe that the company is biased toward international customers?
It doesn't make good business sense and is without a doubt the most absurd Dragon Ball figure related thing I've ever heard.
|
|
|
Post by OFGhost on May 15, 2016 20:24:11 GMT -6
It'd be absurdly expensive to manufacture the figures differently for no financial gain at all. The manufacturer would have to, at the very least, make different molds for the higher and lower quality figures. Then on top of that they'd have to cease production of the high quality figures to start producing the low quality figures, which isnt cost effective. Even assuming they had the machinery to produce both the high and low quality figures simultaneously, why would they offer a product thats low quality on purpose? What purpose does that serve, other than to leave a negative impact on their reputation and cause customers to believe that the company is biased toward international customers? It doesn't make good business sense and is without a doubt the most absurd Dragon Ball figure related thing I've ever heard. This doesn't make sense to me. Quality control is a very real thing. Figures that are sent out internationally are produced later; therefore, quality control would probably be lower. That's just how factories work. They don't "manufacture the figures differently;" they just stop giving as much of a crap after the initial batch is sent out. The manufacturer most certainly wouldn't make different molds for higher and lower quality figures, so I have no idea what you mean by that. They don't cease production. Like I said, quality control simply goes down. There is no difference other than that. It isn't absurd. There definitely is a difference between the gold and silver stickers in terms of quality control. Several collectors (myself included) have experienced this. I've never received a gold sticker figure with an issue. The only reason Ice Queen has one with an issue is because that's a problem on almost every King of Coloring Goku that was produced. There is no difference in the molds of the figures, obviously. We all know that, and that isn't really the debate, so I don't get why it's a part of your argument. The second batch (international figures) more frequently suffer from things like paint issues, chips, etc. That's all there is to it.
|
|
|
Post by MajinRob on May 15, 2016 22:48:12 GMT -6
It'd be absurdly expensive to manufacture the figures differently for no financial gain at all. The manufacturer would have to, at the very least, make different molds for the higher and lower quality figures. Then on top of that they'd have to cease production of the high quality figures to start producing the low quality figures, which isnt cost effective. Even assuming they had the machinery to produce both the high and low quality figures simultaneously, why would they offer a product thats low quality on purpose? What purpose does that serve, other than to leave a negative impact on their reputation and cause customers to believe that the company is biased toward international customers? It doesn't make good business sense and is without a doubt the most absurd Dragon Ball figure related thing I've ever heard. This doesn't make sense to me. Quality control is a very real thing. Figures that are sent out internationally are produced later; therefore, quality control would probably be lower. That's just how factories work. They don't "manufacture the figures differently;" they just stop giving as much of a crap after the initial batch is sent out. The manufacturer most certainly wouldn't make different molds for higher and lower quality figures, so I have no idea what you mean by that. They don't cease production. Like I said, quality control simply goes down. There is no difference other than that. It isn't absurd. There definitely is a difference between the gold and silver stickers in terms of quality control. Several collectors (myself included) have experienced this. I've never received a gold sticker figure with an issue. The only reason Ice Queen has one with an issue is because that's a problem on almost every King of Coloring Goku that was produced. There is no difference in the molds of the figures, obviously. We all know that, and that isn't really the debate, so I don't get why it's a part of your argument. The second batch (international figures) more frequently suffer from things like paint issues, chips, etc. That's all there is to it. It's impressive that you seem to know so much about how quality control and factories work. Something tells me you've never worked in a factory and have no real first hand experience about how things work in such an environment. I, however, do and have ten plus years seeing how products like these are designed, produced and packaged. The figures are all produced at the exact same time and go through quality control at the same time and not in different batches. Doing different batches is not cost effective and a waste of time. The only difference between the silver and gold Toei stickers is the packaging, which is also produced simultaneously with the gold or silver stickers added after the fact. In figure lines that have packaging with printed differences, IE not a sticker that can simply be added after the fact, the same figures are inserted. They produce all of the figures in one batch, which all go through the same quality control and then are inserted into packagings meant for different markets. You guys can keep kidding yourselves about these things if you'd like though. EDIT: Still not convinced? Check out this quote from The One Piece WIKI. In case you arent aware, One Piece is also a Toei property and the Toei stickers are also applied to their merchandise. Source: onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Merchandise_FAQ
|
|
|
Post by OFGhost on May 16, 2016 6:22:54 GMT -6
I can play the Ethos game, too. I'm willing to bet you've never worked in a Japanese factory that produced anime statues and have no idea how those factories are run. I, on the other hand, have worked in one. Not saying you're lying, but it's pretty easy to falsely appeal to Ethos to help bolster your own argument. I'm not sure how the factories produce these figures. What I posted was my assumption. However, I do think it's strange that no one seems to have an issue with their gold sticker figures, yet the errors in silver sticker figures are rampant. You can claim that there is no difference, but the numbers say otherwise, and numbers are more substantial than a baseless appeal to authority. All that aside though, I don't think you're really understanding my argument. Basically, what I'm saying is that the factory workers notice a mistake in a particular figure--a chip, a paint error, etc.--and just slap a silver sticker on the box. That's it. I don't see how that affects cost effectiveness whatsoever. Simply slapping a different sticker on the box for a faulty figure would affect absolutely nothing. The only stories I've ever heard from collectors have been about their silver sticker figures having issues while their gold stickers are flawless. The second I see a couple of collectors come forward with the opposite problem, then I'll believe you. I'm more of a numbers person. Until then, I'm willing to entertain the idea that it's possible there's a quality difference. Because I have yet to see any substantial proof otherwise. Also, I have no hard feelings, and I don't really care to keep arguing.
|
|
|
Post by MajinRob on May 16, 2016 7:03:48 GMT -6
You're right, I've never worked in a Japanese factory where anime figures are produced. But the concept and principles of production are the same across the board when it comes to production of any item. Oh and in case you arent aware, these figures arent made in Japan. They're made in China.
How would it posssibly make good business sense that during a quality control phase of production that a company decides to send the lowest quality products to their broadest market? Japan is a small country that only consumes a fraction of what the rest of the world does and you're sitting here trying to tell me that you think Bandai and other companies are going out of their way to make less money and also damage their reputation in the process. Yeah.. sounds like a good business plan.
|
|
|
Post by OFGhost on May 16, 2016 8:06:42 GMT -6
I do know that they're produced in China. Don't know why I typed Japan. Probably because I'm human.
I don't know why they would do such a thing, but the numbers don't lie. Your assumptions on what they should and shouldn't do aren't going to affect me one way or another. I don't believe anything without having substantial proof. It's called being skeptical--not believing everything you read on the internet.
I don't think they're making less money or damaging their reputation by doing this. A paint error isn't going to bother most consumers. I don't get why you're so defensive about this just because someone disagrees with you. But hey, you clearly know so much more about business than I do because you allegedly worked in a factory somewhere.
|
|
|
Post by MajinRob on May 16, 2016 8:37:35 GMT -6
I do know that they're produced in China. Don't know why I typed Japan. Probably because I'm human. I don't know why they would do such a thing, but the numbers don't lie. Your assumptions on what they should and shouldn't do aren't going to affect me one way or another. I don't believe anything without having substantial proof. It's called being skeptical--not believing everything you read on the internet. I don't think they're making less money or damaging their reputation by doing this. A paint error isn't going to bother most consumers. I don't get why you're so defensive about this just because someone disagrees with you. But hey, you clearly know so much more about business than I do because you allegedly worked in a factory somewhere. All this talk about proof and you've provided none. It's also a little funny that you're trying to call me out for being "defensive" for participating in this discussion with you, but somehow you're immune from being considered defensive yourself. Interesting how that works.
|
|
|
Post by OFGhost on May 16, 2016 8:39:19 GMT -6
I don't think I'm being defensive, but if I am, so be it. I really don't care. I can provide proof. I can provide pictures of silver sticker figures that have defects. But I'd really rather not have to upload those pictures and then post them here. I'm sure you've already seen and/or heard about them. So I really don't even know why you're arguing anymore. But at the same time, I'm okay with it because it keeps me entertained while I'm slaving away at this lowly office job. Again, no hard feelings, I just like to argue.
|
|
|
Post by MajinRob on May 16, 2016 8:46:20 GMT -6
You're making a pretty big claim but providing less than ample proof and at best you're spreading misinformation. This is actually the first I've heard of people truly believing there's a difference in quality between the silver and gold toei stickers. Usually people just ask what the mending of the stickers is.
Asking me why I'm still arguing when you're doing nothing the exact same thing is a fallacy.
So here's what's apparent; you have a hunch that Bandai sells lower quality figures to its largest markets on purpose. You have no real legitimate proof or sources to cite to back up your claims. But for some reason I'm wrong and should stop arguing your unproven point because..?
|
|
|
Post by OFGhost on May 16, 2016 9:10:59 GMT -6
I don't know if you missed what I said, but I'm okay with you continuing to argue. This certainly isn't the first time I've heard the issue debated. Maybe you just frequent the boring parts of the internet? I just told you that I have pictures to prove that silver sticker figures have defects. That's not enough to prove that I'm right, but it's proof of something fishy going on. I'm entertaining a notion, not arguing that this is definitely the case. What I said earlier, though, is that I haven't heard of any collectors having problems with gold sticker figures.
|
|
|
Post by Ketchup on May 16, 2016 16:29:46 GMT -6
I'm surprised Rob that this is the first time you've heard of it, because it's a topic that has been discussed in other collector circles I've encountered.
I myself have had plenty of defects with non-gold sticker releases, and very few with gold sticker releases. My SC Bardock is the worst. I received him from a Malaysian seller (white sticker) and he has a giant chunk out of his shoulder and scratches on his base. It's 100% authentic, was new in box when I got it, and had no signs of being tampered with prior to me opening it. My SC Golden Freeza (silver sticker) paint defect on his eye. My HQDX Vegetto... paint chipped off his fingers (Authentic, no sticker). My HQDX Gotenks has a rather annoying paint defect on his eye (Authentic, no sticker). My Figuarts ZERO Piccolo has a warped base, he rocks back and forth, and one of the dust clouds detached because of this (Silver sticker).
The only defects on any gold sticker figures I have is my MSP King of Coloring Goku, who has no paint behind his ears. But I heard that this was a common defect for everyone who got it.
And the manufacturing thing isn't the real issue. It's entirely possible that the figures are sorted prior to packaging, reserving the highest quality ones for Gold sticker release.
All I'm expressing is a possibility of them sorting, and releasing noticeably defected ones as non-gold sticker.
|
|
|
Post by drowningrabbit on May 17, 2016 11:37:47 GMT -6
I think the major thing that everyone is missing is the fact that the vast majority of collectors that are on these forums are from regions where the 'silver sticker' is sold in their region. Therefore the sample size of figures that you will see will be in a vast majority the 'silver sticker' figures. If you take a MUCH SMALLER sample of 'gold sticker' figures and compare them, the 1 in X number of figures with a defect will obviously be more apparently in the one where you have thousands in circulation among the community versus the hundreds.
Let's say 1 in 500 figures has a defect. The probability of a user receiving a 'gold' figure with a defect and reporting it on a forum is MUCH smaller than a user reporting a 'silver' sticker defect. Mathematical!
|
|
|
Post by OFGhost on May 17, 2016 23:12:10 GMT -6
I think the major thing that everyone is missing is the fact that the vast majority of collectors that are on these forums are from regions where the 'silver sticker' is sold in their region. Therefore the sample size of figures that you will see will be in a vast majority the 'silver sticker' figures. If you take a MUCH SMALLER sample of 'gold sticker' figures and compare them, the 1 in X number of figures with a defect will obviously be more apparently in the one where you have thousands in circulation among the community versus the hundreds. Let's say 1 in 500 figures has a defect. The probability of a user receiving a 'gold' figure with a defect and reporting it on a forum is MUCH smaller than a user reporting a 'silver' sticker defect. Mathematical! Yes, I've already thought of this. Most of my figures actually have gold stickers, so... no.
|
|